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hey everyone welcome to the ufo hub live

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stream and uh today's guest is going to

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be debbie cobble

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and i'm very happy to welcome her for

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part two

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and to continue our conversation but

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it's always uh

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great surprises happen i found out that

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the report

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dropped today and i wanted to get into

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that a little bit

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because it was very very um

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underwhelming to say the least so

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let me do some switching over here

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and i have also the description or

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actually in the in the description below

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the video there's the link to this

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report that you can see yourself

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it's actually only about nine pages long

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and i'm not going to

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read anything from it because i would

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like to actually get to debbie and talk

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about some very exciting things because

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uh the report

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um is basically once you get to the page

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it says download the report you can see

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that link right there

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and it'll open up a powerpoint

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or i mean a pdf and it basically says

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that

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they can register some physicality to

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the uaps

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basically using their different

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sensors that they have whether it would

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be radar infrared

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electro-optical weapon seekers and

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visual observation so and basically

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you're saying they don't have

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proper ways of collecting data to make

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any kind of

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conclusions and they need more funding

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it says it was it was supposed to be a

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preliminary

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report and i'm hoping that there's more

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in a sense that's just uh leaving an

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open door for

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more to come and maybe maybe something

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else happened

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until you know between uh when this

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first came out and now

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i apologize if i'm behind but all the

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way up till

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we uh going live i was checking to make

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sure that there wasn't

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anything else because this report that

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we're all anticipating

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it was a whole whopping nine pages as i

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it's very um very disappointing but

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i guess if there's anything positive

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that can be that can be drawn from this

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is that there weren't um there weren't

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there weren't poopooing

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you know they were basically saying

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we're registering something it

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has some uh national security uh

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security uh concerns and

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you know it does some very uh basically

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the the performance and and all that

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they they can't

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pinpoint it to any given adversary they

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countries

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and it and so anyway i don't know i hope

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they come out with more

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it's like i said at least they weren't

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like they have been for the past i don't

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and so maybe this is the the beginning

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much more to come maybe they'll just

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spoon feed it slowly

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over time because maybe maybe it has to

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be this way for us we're ready for

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you know full disclosure but if they're

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going to start out with the rest of the

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masses maybe this is where it needs to

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need to start so i'm trying to look at

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it more from a positive point of view

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instead of just being negative about it

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but then again i've always

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mentioned to you guys i've never really

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needed the government to confirm

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anything for me um that's why i started

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the show that's why i talk to the people

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because we have our own community our

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own support group that basically

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had to be created because of this kind

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of evasion all the time

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and and never really kind of um owning

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up to it to help their citizens

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uh with whatever has been going on so

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so let me let me just check on things so

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you can get this report yourself it's

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all right let me let me then just

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without any further ado

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uh welcome uh debbie debbie how you

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doing

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i'm good how are you oh just fine thanks

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very much for

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being back on again and um you have some

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great news

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uh what what's been happening recently

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in your life

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well on tuesday my book became available

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on amazon and barnes noble and kindle

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and seems to be doing pretty good

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a new you know listing or whatever they

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call it on amazon so

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i'm really excited about that i'm

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awesome

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hoping that when people read it they'll

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realize that you know i'm

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just a person i'm not a writer and i

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don't use fancy words

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uh i write like i talk and sometimes i

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butcher my own language so forgive me if

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i don't sound

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very sophisticated sometimes but just me

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and i'm just telling my story so i'm

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really excited that you know i mean it

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it at least 10 years to get this put

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back together and

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and expanded upon and so one good thing

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came out of the

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uh seven weeks that i was laid off

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because of covet is that when i finished

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this book so right well i'm i'm very

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happy that

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uh that you told me because when i got

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the message i was like hey perfect

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because i was looking to always schedule

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people out and as

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always everything happens in perfect

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timing so um

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i guess before we start what is what is

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your thought about this report

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you know i it's exactly what i thought

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it would be which was a lot of not much

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um i guess i don't know if i i might be

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a little jaded

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you know um or skeptical

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didn't rule them out

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i mean you and i already know that if

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china or russia had that kind of

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technology we'd all be flying a

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different flag

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you know and uh so we already knew that

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and uh the fact that they didn't rule

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out

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something else i think it's kind of a

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big deal

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but like i told you earlier too i found

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the timing of this

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drop quite interesting considering

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what what a uh busy news day it was

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minnesota and uh

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all the stuff coming out of new york

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you know the news channels and also

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local news is just hopping and nobody

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one time mentioned this report on the

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news

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at least not that i've seen so i think

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that was not an

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accident and i was actually expecting it

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what is today's date okay 25th yeah 25th

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yeah anyway so we'll see hopefully more

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they definitely didn't rule it out so

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encouraging right i just hope they

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continue

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open and forthright about it

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because you know this isn't 1940

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something like

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when during roswell you know the first

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people reported the ufo debris and they

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had pictures of it and everything and

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all of a sudden it was a weather balloon

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you know they kind of shoved the

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toothpaste back in the tube and i don't

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think they can do that this time

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so let's we'll see what happens i'll

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cautiously optimistic

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right well um i'm not quite

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understanding some of the i just want to

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uh address a few things that were just

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brought up before we continue debbie i

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hope your mind

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um so obviously on wednesdays it's the

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we're simultan simultaneously uh

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casting to facebook youtube and twitch

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and also voice only on telegram and so

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you can listen there but you can also

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log in and when it's time for questions

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and answers which we might be

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going into sooner than later log in

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raise your hand and you'll be able to

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talk to and ask the question

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of debbie yourself so don't be shy log

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in right now

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it'll be you know maybe another i don't

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know 15

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20 minutes who knows how long it takes

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for us to cover a few things

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and then we'll be able to do the q a so

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if you don't have it downloaded yet

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download it on your phone or the

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computer

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simply either go to the description box

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below

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where it says telegram group and you can

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click on that or

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just do a search for ufo hub and you'll

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find a group

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and there there's a ufo hub voice chat

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going on right now

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and join it so anyway um

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and uh regarding the report i've just

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covered it a little bit earlier today

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there's not much to report so i also

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have the link of

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the report in the descriptions as well

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check it out it's only nine pages long

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and i've given you my comments earlier

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and you can kind of read it and make up

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your own mind

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so anyway uh so

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debbie what what is it what is it

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basically what is it like

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for you from all these all this time

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the initial when we did our first part

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and you gave a great detail of your

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background story

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and regarding intruders and now you have

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your your second book out

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what is it like living in in this

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bizarre kind of alternate universe that

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very few are familiar with well

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first of all i think more people are

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familiar with it than we realize

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because i think most people don't talk

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about it

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and um rightly so i suppose uh although

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times have changed

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it's a lot different now than it was 30

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some years ago that's for sure

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uh but i've always um tried

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all i've ever wanted is to be normal and

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have a normal

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life um in my opinion

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and i can only speak for myself but

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honestly i can never imagine

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anybody wanting to be famous for

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something like this

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i had to be convinced and talked into

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even letting bud write intruders

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you know well my whole family did it

303
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wasn't just about me

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although i was the central figure but um

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you know i had to think about it for a

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while i had kids

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and um it and it's funny and

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like i mentioned to you uh i got a

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letter i got an email not too long ago

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after i

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was on howard hughes broadcast over in

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uk

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but you could hear them from everywhere

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i got an email from a guy

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here in my hometown that lives about 10

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minutes from me

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and he said can you imagine my surprise

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when i realized that this woman you

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who had been through all this for so

320
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long lived 10 minutes from me

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all these years i've been interested in

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the subject and done and read and

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everything because i had no idea who you

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were

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or how you know

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how close you were to where i lived and

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i wrote him back and said thanks that

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means what i did worked because

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i uh my plan worked

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because i had kids to raise my number

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one priority has

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always been them and then my job this is

333
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not my job

334
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the ufo stuff that and when i talk and

335
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the book that i wrote and the book i

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wrote with my sister this is not my job

337
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i worked i've worked since i was 15 and

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a half years old

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at real jobs regular jobs hard jobs

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factory jobs you know all kinds of work

341
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but and a hairdresser on top of that for

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and i just i just wanted my kids to have

343
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a normal life

344
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as much as they could amongst all the

345
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weird stuff that happened around all of

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us

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so i would avoid talk

348
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i didn't want to talk about it i didn't

349
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want to talk about it around people i

350
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work i didn't want talking about it

351
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like i would only accept speaking things

352
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that were outside of my area

353
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you know because i was protecting my

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family my kids

355
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before intruders was even written

356
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we had strange people come to our house

357
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on several different occasions messing

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around in my mom and dad's backyard

359
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messing around in the front yard and

360
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then when i

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lived on my own with my kids i had two

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different occasions where strangers came

363
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up and knocked on my door

364
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which i didn't it scared me you know so

365
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i was very

366
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i didn't want to be known for this stuff

367
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i just wanted a normal life and i wanted

368
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it to go away

369
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there were many times in my life and i

370
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would think to myself just stop

371
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just leave me alone i don't want this

372
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why are you

373
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why is this happening to me and um

374
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you know i would try to back myself out

375
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of it all and just try to

376
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you know i not just kind of disappear

377
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for a while but something always

378
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drop kicked me right back into it some

379
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way or another um

380
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and i finally realized you know after a

381
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while that well

382
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this is just my life this is

383
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who i am it's a part of me and i might

384
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as well just embrace it because it is

385
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what it is and it's not going to go away

386
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and once i realized that once i adopted

387
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that kind of attitude about it i

388
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started really feeling you know a lot

389
00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:56,000
better and a lot stronger about it

390
00:17:59,430 --> 00:17:59,120
and like i said times have changed back

391
00:18:03,029 --> 00:17:59,440
when

392
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i first came out um publicly with the

393
00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:04,720
weird stuff that happened to me and

394
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nobody talked about this and if you did

395
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people looked at you like you were

396
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absolutely nuts and

397
00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:15,520
i didn't blame them because i felt this

398
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i mean i felt like if i hadn't seen and

399
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:19,440
experienced some of those things i

400
00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:20,960
wouldn't believe it either

401
00:18:27,909 --> 00:18:24,559
but now you can

402
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go to walmart and buy t-shirts with

403
00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:29,919
aliens on them people pay

404
00:18:33,909 --> 00:18:31,840
hundreds of dollars to be taken

405
00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:33,919
somewhere to try to call them

406
00:18:40,390 --> 00:18:37,039
in you know and it's just like

407
00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:40,400
there's been this huge shift in

408
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:43,039
attitude about the whole thing you know

409
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:43,840
but and i'm

410
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:46,080
glad for that i'm glad for my kids and

411
00:18:50,950 --> 00:18:47,840
my grandkids you know it's gonna it'll

412
00:18:53,510 --> 00:18:50,960
make it easier for them but

413
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i mean i'm getting old right well you

414
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know i just want to make a quick point

415
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regard regarding

416
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something that um i i often think about

417
00:19:01,909 --> 00:18:59,679
and

418
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:01,919
i mention it to people so you know

419
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,320
what's it's almost like this

420
00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:06,640
experiencers and and researchers they

421
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:08,320
have this unfair

422
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:11,440
uh burden of proof to regarding

423
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:13,039
these these different subjects like

424
00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:15,600
aliens and ufos and and all these other

425
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:16,480
things there's

426
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:18,320
so many people like where's your proof

427
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:19,679
where's this where's that

428
00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:22,240
it's like hold on one one minute almost

429
00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:23,840
cut there for a second

430
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:25,919
you know like sometimes it does get me

431
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,280
you know so you have

432
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:29,600
researchers that are fully funded

433
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:31,200
regarding a subject that

434
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:34,559
uh is uh deemed you know worthy of of of

435
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:36,880
investment and money and then they go

436
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:38,240
out there find out what they need to

437
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:39,039
find out

438
00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:41,919
and uh they you know however many years

439
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:43,600
that funding goes they come back they

440
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:45,360
can present whatever they found

441
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:47,360
you know and then you have these people

442
00:19:50,549 --> 00:19:48,480
like you and i and

443
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,559
and pretty much everyone in the ufo

444
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:52,400
field that i know that's been kind of

445
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:53,760
boots on the ground and just kind of

446
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:54,960
doing their own homework trying to

447
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:55,600
figure out

448
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:58,720
what this is about but after going to

449
00:20:02,149 --> 00:19:59,440
work

450
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:02,159
after paying the bills after taking care

451
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:03,360
of family you know

452
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:06,000
after you know making sure insurance is

453
00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:06,880
paid after

454
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:08,080
you know everything else has been

455
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:10,240
covered you know oh and then with

456
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:12,000
you know the the two three hours that

457
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,600
are left of the waking day

458
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:15,520
and the research that we might do it's

459
00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:17,039
like how dare you not have an

460
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,520
answer have answers for us and therefore

461
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:20,799
we don't believe you

462
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:22,480
you know at least in the very beginning

463
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:24,400
now of course it's shifted quite a bit

464
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,760
and people are more curious

465
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:27,840
but i felt like that was it was an

466
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:28,880
unfair

467
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:31,919
uh a burden on on someone like me and

468
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:33,760
everyone else to just immediately spill

469
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:34,640
everything out

470
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,640
you know show me what you know otherwise

471
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,320
i'm not going to waste my time with this

472
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:40,000
silly thing called ufos and i'll go

473
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,960
about my business

474
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:42,720
at least that's what i felt like it was

475
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:45,360
going on with people in the beginning

476
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,520
well yeah and it used to it used to

477
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:51,679
make me so angry when people say there's

478
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:53,039
no proof

479
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:55,280
there's no there's no hard evidence i'm

480
00:21:02,070 --> 00:20:56,960
like hello

481
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:02,080
did you see my backyard you know um

482
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:03,760
i had the mark in the yard that was

483
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:06,000
there for two years and snow melted off

484
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:07,600
of it for the first year

485
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:11,120
i had independent witnesses of neighbors

486
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:16,000
on all three sides of mom's house

487
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,679
mom was also involved in it too it

488
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:19,200
wasn't just me

489
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,360
and other experiences that i've had it

490
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:24,080
involved other people

491
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,840
some that i knew some that i didn't know

492
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:27,440
at the time but

493
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:30,480
because of this i met them

494
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,919
i have all the little medical records

495
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,000
that i managed to get from my old doctor

496
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:38,480
back in the day

497
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:42,799
i mean i was my biggest skeptic

498
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,159
i had to live with this crazy stuff

499
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:48,799
oh i wanted to cautious thin but i had

500
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,240
to live with this craziness

501
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:52,320
no you can you can i just try not to

502
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:53,840
because i want to keep it positive

503
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,600
because sometimes i realize

504
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,840
i like to cuss like a sailor but people

505
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,679
don't necessarily associate that with

506
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:01,039
the normal talk so

507
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,960
i avoided it for everyone else that

508
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:04,400
might get their feelings here factory

509
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,880
girl

510
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,720
so i mean i've already worked in a

511
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,000
factory for 15 years

512
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:10,400
i heard that stuff like butter you know

513
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:11,280
but

514
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,000
um anyway i i

515
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,480
i was my own biggest skeptic like when

516
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:20,559
the stuff happened in 83 in the backyard

517
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,679
left that mark

518
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,360
i'm the one that called the uh

519
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,520
agricultural agent for indiana you know

520
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:27,120
at the at the hud university won the

521
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:28,400
universities i'm the one that called the

522
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:29,440
gas company

523
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:32,240
i'm the one you know i i've tried i

524
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:33,120
tried to figure out

525
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:36,720
every possible way this could

526
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:40,400
be not what i thought it was you know um

527
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:42,640
when i went to when when i finally did

528
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:44,720
meet bud and i went to new york

529
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:48,000
and he took me for testing at the

530
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,960
hospital

531
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,640
i think it was at columbia university

532
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:52,159
hospital i can't remember because it's

533
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:53,360
been 30 years

534
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:57,120
and i'm old but um it's written down

535
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:58,000
somewhere but

536
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,200
i uh i mean they did uh ekg

537
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:03,520
i mean an eeg on me where they checked

538
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:04,880
my brain waves

539
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,840
uh they did a cat scan of my brain or

540
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,919
some kind of x-ray with a dye in me

541
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,679
to see if i had brain tumors or had

542
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,039
epilepsy or anything

543
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:15,360
weird going on with my brain i had six

544
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:16,799
hours of

545
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:19,760
uh psychological testing some verbal and

546
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,640
some written

547
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:23,120
and i remember telling the guy during

548
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,880
the testing you know it's okay if i'm

549
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,159
crazy

550
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:28,000
you know if you need to tell me that i'm

551
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:29,280
crazy after all this i'm

552
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,720
i'm good with that because i know they

553
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:32,640
make pills for that and then i'll just

554
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:33,600
be happily

555
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:36,080
taking a pill and it'll go away you know

556
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:36,720
i mean i

557
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:39,760
tried every way to explain away

558
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:41,120
all the stuff that's happened to me and

559
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,039
i continued to do that

560
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:45,200
when i was when i got involved with

561
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,720
mufon later

562
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:48,720
as an investigator i mean part of that

563
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:49,760
was for me

564
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,720
to try to understand what was going on

565
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,400
with me and my family and try not to be

566
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:56,159
afraid of it the way i deal with things

567
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:57,200
that scare me

568
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,600
is to face them head-on and learn as

569
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:01,520
much about them as they can because i

570
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,320
feel like knowledge is power and so i

571
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:06,159
became an investigator for move on for

572
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,000
10 years here in indiana you know and i

573
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,080
learned a lot that way too

574
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:12,400
and then when i went towards the

575
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:13,200
paranormal

576
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:16,240
research part you know i learned as much

577
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:17,760
about that as i could

578
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:22,880
and i i found that like 95

579
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,000
of the time i could debunk

580
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:28,960
anything you know that i came up with

581
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,600
when i did

582
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:32,080
investigations i could figure out an

583
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,600
explanation for it

584
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,520
that was my goal but that's that few

585
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,760
percentage of stuff that i couldn't that

586
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:40,240
kept me doing it and you know

587
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,279
but um so people don't

588
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,279
like like i said i can only speak for

589
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:47,200
myself i know

590
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,559
a lot of different kind of people out

591
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,720
here in the ufo community

592
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:52,159
with lots of different personalities

593
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,080
lots of different stories and all that

594
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:56,320
i can just speak for myself i'm just an

595
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:57,919
old girl from indiana

596
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:00,480
that never went anywhere until you know

597
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:01,760
i met bud

598
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:05,279
and um just had this weird life

599
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:08,159
that uh i thought was normal because

600
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:09,279
when i was a little kid

601
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:10,960
i thought that's just how everybody

602
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:13,360
lived it wasn't until i got up

603
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:15,919
went to school that i realized you know

604
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:16,640
i

605
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:23,679
so uh but uh

606
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,640
yeah so people don't really realize that

607
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:28,320
i didn't want to be famous for this i

608
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:29,600
didn't come looking for this

609
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:33,200
it i was born into it and

610
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:36,400
uh i've done my best to try to uh debunk

611
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:36,799
it

612
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,840
wrote books people have asked us so many

613
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:49,679
questions over the years

614
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:52,400
um and i feel akin to so many people out

615
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,120
there

616
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,440
um they're like my people you know my

617
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:56,720
family and

618
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,840
i'm fortunate i feel i'm blessed because

619
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,400
i've had the support of my family

620
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:05,039
my friends most of my co-workers seen

621
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:06,720
some of my bosses neighbors

622
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:09,760
i've been very fortunate because

623
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,799
most people like me don't have that and

624
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:14,320
so i felt like i

625
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:18,000
i wanted to you know pay it forward and

626
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:18,480
and

627
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:21,520
out there

628
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:25,039
know they're not alone and i don't think

629
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,880
you're crazy you know and if you want to

630
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:28,559
talk to me and tell me

631
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,799
what's going on you know i might not

632
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,320
have any answers for you i don't even

633
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,840
have a lot of answers for myself but

634
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:35,360
i'll listen

635
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:38,559
and you know so that's why i wrote the

636
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:39,360
books that i

637
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,000
i've written right

638
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,240
look look classroom a whole bunch of

639
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:48,000
nasty stuff about my mom and me and a

640
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:49,200
couple of his books

641
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,799
do you remember philip class and uh

642
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:54,559
i actually had the i know of him i don't

643
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:55,919
think i've met him

644
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,200
oh he's anybody's been in the ufo

645
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:00,799
community for as long as i have knows

646
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:02,960
who bill is but i mean he was

647
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,559
like the king of um skeptics

648
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,640
uh and he would write these ridiculous

649
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,000
books and and one

650
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:11,679
and one of these books he wrote some

651
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:18,870
but the thing was he never talked to us

652
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:20,080
i never talked to him

653
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:22,000
he never asked to interview us he knew

654
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,440
he didn't he

655
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,960
didn't know anything about me other than

656
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,880
what he just made up

657
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:29,039
you know uh so he could write a book

658
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:29,919
about me and

659
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:34,240
try to debunk my stories and um i saw

660
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,440
him in florida one time

661
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,120
at a conference because he used to like

662
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:39,279
to hang around there so i approached him

663
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:41,440
and he knew who i was because for two or

664
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:43,039
three times when i'd come up to him he'd

665
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,399
like run away

666
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,799
and i finally got him cornered and i

667
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,559
said i just would like to ask you

668
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,320
something sir

669
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:52,000
i would like to ask why you wrote those

670
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:53,600
things about my mom and me in your book

671
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,039
when you never bothered to

672
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:57,360
talk to me if you'd like to sit down and

673
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:59,120
talk to me i would be more than happy to

674
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,080
sit down and answer

675
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:03,360
any questions that you have but and

676
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,640
if you don't want to do that i would

677
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,000
really appreciate if you don't write

678
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,919
nasty things about me and my family in

679
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:09,120
your books

680
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,399
oh my god he stumbled all over himself

681
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:14,880
you know tried to be so gracious people

682
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:16,960
were starting to stand around

683
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:20,880
and watch the next morning when i woke

684
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,600
up

685
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:23,440
and came out of my hotel room there was

686
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:24,799
a stack of books

687
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,240
at the door all of them were his books

688
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,480
every book he wrote and all of them were

689
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:32,000
inscribed to me

690
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,520
and they all had the nicest things

691
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,520
written them like your mother raised a

692
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:38,159
well you know spoke a really nice good

693
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,760
woman all this

694
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:42,080
and invited wanted me to have dinner

695
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,799
with him

696
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,640
and i'm like no i don't think so but

697
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,559
thanks for the free books

698
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:49,520
but you know so you see these skeptics

699
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:50,080
they

700
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:58,799
done me

701
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:01,360
right well uh debbie i wanted to ask you

702
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,480
so during this time

703
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:04,559
that you had time to write and and

704
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,679
helped you finish

705
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:08,000
um your second book during the the

706
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,799
lockdowns

707
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,640
can you maybe go a little bit into what

708
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,720
what you were reflecting on what you

709
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:14,159
what you were gonna kind of going

710
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:15,600
through as you were putting all that

711
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:17,600
down

712
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:21,279
you know it was weird because i hadn't

713
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:25,440
i hadn't looked at my uh my other book

714
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:28,559
um in years i hadn't looked at it and

715
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:30,159
picked it up hadn't read it i mean

716
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:31,919
i'm fortunate to have some copies of it

717
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,200
because the tornado that

718
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,880
usually it destroyed almost everything i

719
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:36,640
own but i had some i've got one copy

720
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:37,200
here

721
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:39,279
of the abducted story that i that my

722
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,320
sister and i wrote

723
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,159
and it's all wet you know from the

724
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:44,080
tornado but you can still read it

725
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:48,000
um what i did was i took

726
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:51,039
my half of that book

727
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:54,640
and i wove it because the stories are

728
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,279
not

729
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,120
going to change i mean they are what

730
00:30:02,950 --> 00:29:59,760
they are so i took that part of my book

731
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:02,960
and i wove it into this new one so uh

732
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:05,520
my sister's stuff is not in there my

733
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:06,960
older sister who

734
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:09,440
had chapters in my first one hers is not

735
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:10,880
in this one

736
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:14,480
she's mentally and physically unable to

737
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:17,200
she's got really bad dementia and

738
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,240
so this is my

739
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:22,880
original stories and new stuff so when

740
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,399
i'm reading through this stuff because i

741
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:26,080
have to read i had to read through every

742
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:26,880
single

743
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:30,240
word of it as i rebuilt all the

744
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,799
squirreled up file folders because they

745
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:34,480
were a disaster

746
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:37,520
uh one format from 1993

747
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:41,279
doesn't transfer to word microsoft word

748
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:42,080
seven

749
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,760
very nicely so that took about five

750
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:46,640
years

751
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:49,760
literally were you having errors oh my

752
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:50,559
god

753
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:53,840
uh they it would you could read one

754
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,919
chunk of the like this of text would be

755
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,440
readable and then the rest would be like

756
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:59,039
20 pages of

757
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,399
characters that made no sense

758
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,080
it was a disaster did you reach out to

759
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,760
someone to maybe help you out or did you

760
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:08,080
just pretty much try to rewrite it

761
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,399
i just basically rewrote it um

762
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:14,960
because i i didn't know what to do i'm

763
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:15,440
not

764
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:18,080
smart that way and i didn't really know

765
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:19,600
anybody that could

766
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:22,880
so um and then in doing that i

767
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,159
had to reread it basically and i'm i

768
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,480
as when doing it i'm thinking oh my god

769
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:30,159
i forgot

770
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:33,600
you know it's weird how

771
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:37,120
35 years or 45 years or 50 years passes

772
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,679
and

773
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,559
things just fade you know so i'm

774
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:42,000
grateful that i wrote all this stuff

775
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,559
down

776
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:44,159
and that was one of the reasons that i

777
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,000
wanted to do this

778
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:48,960
continuation the second part of it in

779
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,240
this new one

780
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,480
because i'm not getting any younger you

781
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:53,919
know my dad had dementia

782
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:57,200
my sister has dementia i mean god

783
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:59,840
forbid that could be my fate i pray not

784
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:00,559
but

785
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,679
you know none of us knows yeah

786
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,919
so i wanted to make sure i got this out

787
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,919
of my head before it got lost

788
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,840
you know and and none of us gets out of

789
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:11,039
here alive anyway

790
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:14,559
i wanted before i leave this planet

791
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:18,559
to have it down for my granddaughter and

792
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,960
her daughter and you know my future

793
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,720
family so they know me

794
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,120
and they know where they come from and

795
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:27,120
who who they come from

796
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:30,720
so um and rereading this and rewriting

797
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,360
that

798
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,360
some of the old anxieties would come

799
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:35,360
welling up you know even though i feel

800
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:36,399
like i've

801
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:38,559
overcome a lot of the fear that i

802
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:40,080
initially had and

803
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,480
trauma and i have but

804
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,880
some of it still kind of bubbled up

805
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,159
there were a couple nights

806
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:50,559
you know after working on a particularly

807
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:51,679
weird

808
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,960
few pages or chapters that i had a hard

809
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,799
time falling asleep

810
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,720
so i mean it was it was kind of

811
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,840
stressful you know

812
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:02,000
to to re to go over that again and

813
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:03,519
remember that and like i said i'd read

814
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:05,039
something like oh my god i can't believe

815
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:06,640
i forgot that

816
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,600
you know so it was weird

817
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:13,440
well so uh just real quick before we

818
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:15,600
continue uh welcome everyone for those

819
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,200
who are watching right now

820
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,919
um you can uh pretty soon here we're

821
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:21,440
gonna go into some q a

822
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:24,399
and so you can use telegram to basically

823
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:25,360
go to ufo

824
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:27,519
group join the voice chat and you will

825
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:28,640
be able to

826
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,000
ask questions of debbie herself and

827
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:34,000
if not if you're shy and don't want to

828
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:35,519
be on the phone

829
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:38,320
simply in the chat if you can put three

830
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,919
stars before your question

831
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,840
they'll pop out at me and it uh

832
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,200
basically tells me that that

833
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,440
that's the question for the guest so

834
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:47,200
anyway so just want to put that out

835
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:47,679
there

836
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:49,760
and once you give you a chance to to get

837
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:50,799
ready so

838
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,399
uh debbie regarding um

839
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:56,799
well when it comes to these different

840
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:58,159
you know experiences i know you were

841
00:34:02,389 --> 00:33:59,440
saying something about

842
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,399
um um you know when you re-read things

843
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:04,000
you remember because there's so much

844
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:04,960
detail

845
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:07,360
that happens and it's initially very

846
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,560
fresh in the mind

847
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,240
and you just want to kind of regurgitate

848
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:11,919
it as fast as you possibly can

849
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:13,839
but i noticed that you know myself as

850
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,159
time goes on you know it would be some

851
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:18,079
because sometimes it's been like 10 15

852
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:19,839
years i would be like oh wow how could i

853
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:21,919
forget about this particular experience

854
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:25,119
you know and um have you or been kind of

855
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,800
keeping a journal on the side to just

856
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,480
kind of write it down so that you can

857
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,839
kind of peacefully move on with your

858
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,679
life without having to worry about

859
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:33,440
what other details you might forget out

860
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:34,720
there

861
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,599
yeah oh absolutely i stu i still i still

862
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:39,440
write things down to this day

863
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:42,720
um that's what the whole first book was

864
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,280
pretty much

865
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,280
journals and and entries you know and

866
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,800
then the second one

867
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,720
you know there's a lot of journal

868
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,720
entries moving forward from when the

869
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:51,520
first one

870
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,960
was done um here in the more recent past

871
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:56,639
uh but yeah absolutely i write

872
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:58,720
everything down i mean i have notes to

873
00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:59,119
make

874
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,320
little notepad

875
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,400
on my kitchen island every day and i

876
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:06,400
check it and my calendar you know

877
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,240
and so i'm like that anyway and uh yeah

878
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,000
so whenever something weird happens i

879
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:13,920
always write it down

880
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,280
always and uh you know it's funny

881
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:19,440
there's so much little stuff that's so

882
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,400
weird

883
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,880
but you know it kind of drifts out of my

884
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:24,720
memory after a while i mean there's just

885
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,119
been an

886
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:27,280
entire lifetime of it i can't remember

887
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,720
all of it i don't have that many

888
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:30,960
folds in my gray matter for all that

889
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,839
stuff but

890
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,680
there are big things the biggest and

891
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:35,200
most traumatic things

892
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,720
will stick with me like the june 30 83

893
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,720
incident you know which everybody knows

894
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:41,839
about and

895
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,880
um the same deal with like when i saw

896
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,720
the challenger explode you know

897
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,320
um i remember what i was doing and where

898
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,079
is that i think it's when

899
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,880
the more traumatic and impactful

900
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:54,560
something is to it the

901
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,480
the more it stays in my mind

902
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:01,440
you know uh closer to my conscious level

903
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,560
where i can remember it

904
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,640
easily and but then there's like 50

905
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:06,960
million weird little things

906
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:09,680
that just you know you can only remember

907
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,079
so

908
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:13,200
and

909
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,920
i encourage anybody that's going through

910
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:17,760
a weird period in their life

911
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,720
i find writing to be very therapeutic i

912
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:22,240
mean

913
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:23,680
because sometimes when you write

914
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:25,839
something down

915
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:28,320
you're feeling one type of way right but

916
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,599
then after you write it down and then

917
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:31,200
you look at it and you actually read the

918
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,760
words

919
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,839
then you get get feeling another type of

920
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:35,280
way you know so it kind of gives you a

921
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:36,000
different

922
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:37,839
perspective on things and sometimes i

923
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,760
can figure stuff out

924
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:41,760
if i do that and then it becomes a

925
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,280
non-issue anyway

926
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:45,680
so um you know as far as the weird stuff

927
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:46,400
goes

928
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:50,560
but absolutely i am the note girl right

929
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:52,880
people give me note pads and sticky

930
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:53,760
notes and

931
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:56,960
pens for presents

932
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,560
right well uh debbie before we go into

933
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:03,119
uh some questions i'm going to wait till

934
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:04,320
some of them come in

935
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,000
but i do want to ask you about um

936
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,760
and of course now that i want to ask you

937
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:11,040
it slips my mind

938
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:13,760
oh regarding have you so since last time

939
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:15,040
i can't remember if i asked you

940
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:18,160
in the show previously have you been

941
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:21,200
recently having other uh recent

942
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,079
encounters

943
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,400
or are you still pretty much kind of um

944
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:26,320
reflecting on what had happened at that

945
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:26,880
initial

946
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,359
uh moment since i've talked to you last

947
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:33,599
uh no it's just in general but from now

948
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:36,960
till let's say in the past five years

949
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,240
i've had some i have not

950
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:42,960
i don't think i've had anything physical

951
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:43,520
but i've

952
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:48,079
definitely had some strange um dreams

953
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:51,040
mostly dreams like the the lucid vivid

954
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:51,839
dreaming

955
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:54,960
and um it almost seems like

956
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:58,320
um i'm going somewhere

957
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,359
else when i have these dreams sometimes

958
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:04,320
and or it's a quick dream that's a

959
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:06,000
message dreamer it's something about

960
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:06,400
it's

961
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:09,440
away

962
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,160
um so i've had it's been stuff like that

963
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:14,720
i guess you could call that more

964
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:18,079
i don't know psychological uh stuff

965
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:21,520
or psychic stuff maybe if you

966
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:24,720
you know but not anything physical

967
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,760
like the uh missing time and and things

968
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,720
like that

969
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,880
not that i not that i consciously recall

970
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:32,720
anyway

971
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,520
right yeah i wonder if uh for some of us

972
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,920
that initially just happens to have that

973
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,240
leave that imprint to where then it gets

974
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,760
you to the point to where

975
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,760
now you've written two books about it to

976
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:45,280
kind of chrono

977
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:47,760
chronologically put together what it is

978
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,560
that happened

979
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:51,119
and to convey that out there to kind of

980
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,720
uh tell a story

981
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:55,200
in a cohesive way you know and um

982
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:56,480
because i know

983
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:58,160
uh some of them you know some of my

984
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:59,599
other friends and you know

985
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,960
when we talk about these different

986
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:02,720
things it all depends uh

987
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:05,440
sometimes it's like it it draws back

988
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:06,800
because there's something going on in

989
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:07,920
their lives so they

990
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,320
just kind of things kind of pull back

991
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:12,000
with all kinds of weird experiences

992
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:13,040
whether it be

993
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,520
um aliens ghosts whatever you know but

994
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,599
then uh sometimes when

995
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:20,240
once that's finally done it kicks back

996
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:21,359
up it's almost like

997
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,359
they they know okay you're busy doing

998
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:25,119
something so we'll give you that break

999
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:26,079
but then it

1000
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:28,000
kicks back up and it's just something

1001
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:29,520
we've been discussing i don't know what

1002
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:31,839
your opinion is on that

1003
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,680
you know it's funny because um

1004
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:38,160
i've noticed that myself um you know

1005
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:38,880
i've told you

1006
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:40,720
i've gotten mad i'm like get leave me

1007
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,079
alone please life is too

1008
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,839
hard right now i can't do this you know

1009
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,440
like when i was getting divorced

1010
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,280
although weird stuff happened then

1011
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:49,520
but like after my husband died it was so

1012
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,560
traumatic that his

1013
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:52,720
you know his death was a suicide and i

1014
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:53,839
witnessed it

1015
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,359
and um i was just broke i was just

1016
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:59,520
broke for a while and it was very

1017
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:00,560
important that i

1018
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:03,440
not come unglued because i had two

1019
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:04,240
teenagers

1020
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,359
that needed me you know and thank god i

1021
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:09,280
had them and i had my family

1022
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:12,400
but um it was that one of that was at

1023
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:14,000
one point in my life where i was like

1024
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:14,800
just

1025
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:17,760
go away i can't even deal with this

1026
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:18,720
right now

1027
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:21,760
i'm about to be broke here

1028
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:25,200
and um it got totally

1029
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,589
other than paranormal stuff began to

1030
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:32,880
happen you know with

1031
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:36,160
my late husband immediately

1032
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:39,520
but the alien or ufo stuff stopped

1033
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:42,480
and also um immediately after i had my

1034
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:43,760
hysterectomy

1035
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:46,640
uh everything kind of got real quiet for

1036
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:47,599
a couple of years

1037
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:50,079
after uh about a week after my

1038
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:51,599
hysterectomy when we had some weird

1039
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,599
stuff happen on the farm

1040
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,760
with my um house guest and her daughter

1041
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,760
and my late husband

1042
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,440
but like about like i said about a week

1043
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:01,520
after that it got real quiet it seems

1044
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,079
like

1045
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:04,560
the really traumatic and stressful parts

1046
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:05,280
of my life

1047
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:08,079
things would kind of back off for a

1048
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:08,880
while

1049
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:11,359
and then they would come back you know

1050
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:12,160
or like i said

1051
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:14,319
something would drop kick me back into

1052
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:15,440
it

1053
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,800
i wanted to be more involved in my

1054
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:18,800
community and stuff like that you know i

1055
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:19,200
got

1056
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:22,560
i joined a red cross i went down to um

1057
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,079
new orleans after uh katrina and rita

1058
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:29,040
um you know and i was digging doing

1059
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,000
stuff like that

1060
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,319
but i was kind of afraid that people

1061
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,000
would find out about this stuff

1062
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:36,000
and then they wouldn't let me do it

1063
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,680
anymore you know they would

1064
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:39,920
figure out some way to make me stop so i

1065
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:42,079
would try not to

1066
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,760
just you know that's those are all the

1067
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,359
times in my life when i'm like get away

1068
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:46,800
from me i don't want to talk about this

1069
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,599
just stop you know but then something

1070
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,440
would happen and bam here i am right

1071
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,880
back in the middle of it again

1072
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,880
and it always wasn't just for me it was

1073
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:56,160
me and

1074
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,359
neighbors or

1075
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,359
somebody if everything that ever

1076
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:03,520
happened to me was always only just me i

1077
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,000
would

1078
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:06,960
seriously think that there was something

1079
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:08,240
wrong with me

1080
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:10,880
but it seems like you know it's always

1081
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,280
involved other people so

1082
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,200
i guess that's probably a good thing i

1083
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:16,960
don't know

1084
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,359
it's almost something that that kind of

1085
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:21,119
gives you a little self-check to keep

1086
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:22,160
you sane because

1087
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:23,520
if no one else can see what you're

1088
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,359
talking about you know i can definitely

1089
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:27,200
see how that would be troublesome

1090
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:29,599
you know i'm at least i mean we'll where

1091
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:30,319
we live is

1092
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,599
very isolated so at least i have uh uh

1093
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:35,839
my wife to be that other observing

1094
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,720
counterpart

1095
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,960
you know and not that i you know need

1096
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,640
that but it's just kind of um

1097
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,800
interesting to just be like reflecting

1098
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:44,160
back and forth to each other it's like

1099
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,960
hey how

1100
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,800
how did this come across to you you know

1101
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,240
this is what happened to me

1102
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:50,319
you know witness you know not with but

1103
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,280
going through it

1104
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:53,359
and then you know from her end you know

1105
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:54,480
back and forth just having a

1106
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:55,599
conversation it

1107
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:58,800
helps it's kind of like being our own um

1108
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:01,119
you know psychiatrists in some way just

1109
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,920
to have a

1110
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:04,079
you know friendly face that can listen

1111
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:07,280
and not be judgmental about it

1112
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,800
yeah i mean i found out with

1113
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:13,280
not just with this stuff but with other

1114
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:16,319
traumatic events in my life i found that

1115
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:19,599
talking about it getting it out there

1116
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:22,800
in the universe hearing it with my ears

1117
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:25,520
and not just in my head was good therapy

1118
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,000
for me

1119
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:28,720
it helps it helps it doesn't seem like

1120
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,520
it will

1121
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:31,760
but it did it i mean i for me it did i

1122
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,550
sorry i'm distracted here i just got a

1123
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,560
tornado warning pop up on my phone i'm

1124
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:40,319
looking at my weather radar

1125
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:44,079
it's just uh a little bit uh

1126
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:45,760
well when you fly away i don't know what

1127
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,550
right it seems like i'm a tornado magnet

1128
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,040
right well i guess where you live uh you

1129
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,960
already mentioned it's it's kind of very

1130
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:59,200
tornado prone area because it wasn't

1131
00:44:01,190 --> 00:44:00,560
there wasn't your house destroyed a

1132
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:01,200
while back

1133
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,800
because of tornado that was the third

1134
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,480
tornado that i've been in in my life the

1135
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,000
first one was when my son robbie

1136
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,680
was a baby and it didn't hit our

1137
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:11,440
apartment building but it jumped over

1138
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:13,119
the building and picked up a semi on

1139
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,000
i-70 and

1140
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,800
spun it around we were in the stairwell

1141
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,800
on the bottom floor of the building

1142
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,720
the second time was at my mom and dad's

1143
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:22,640
house when we first the day after we

1144
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:23,520
moved in there

1145
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,359
all of my stuff everything i owned was

1146
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:26,880
in my van

1147
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,079
and a small tornado came through their

1148
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:31,680
part of town

1149
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:35,040
and twisted a 65-foot beech tree off its

1150
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:38,640
trunk the stump and impaled my van with

1151
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:39,280
it

1152
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:44,400
mom's car and destroyed everything i

1153
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:45,119
owned

1154
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:50,800
that time and then in 2013 um

1155
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,119
a tornado came through my town and

1156
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,440
totally destroyed about 50 or 60 homes

1157
00:45:02,470 --> 00:44:59,200
my my town is a small town

1158
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,480
about 25 000 people my house was the

1159
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,000
only house on the street

1160
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:07,119
that was flattened uh other people had

1161
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,560
you know group damage shingles uh siding

1162
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,040
trees damage junk everywhere you know

1163
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:14,960
but their houses were still standing

1164
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,520
my house was flattened and i was in the

1165
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:18,880
closet

1166
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:23,119
but i got dug out of the debris by the

1167
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,720
fire department and i

1168
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:26,079
pretty much didn't have a scratch on me

1169
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,000
although i was

1170
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:30,400
couldn't close my eyes for three weeks

1171
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,359
because i could hear that sound

1172
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:35,359
so yeah when a tornado warning goes off

1173
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,400
i'm i'm looking at it

1174
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,240
and it's funny because you know i always

1175
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,920
wanted to be a meteorologist when i was

1176
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,200
a kid

1177
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:45,599
and i would have gone to college purdue

1178
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:46,480
has a great

1179
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:49,920
meteorology you know program there

1180
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:53,359
uh but i got pregnant

1181
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,480
i i was and got married young and so

1182
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,560
that kind of wrecked that

1183
00:46:02,069 --> 00:46:00,560
and uh well i certainly am not going to

1184
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:02,079
fall to you for at least looking down at

1185
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:03,440
your phone for that reason

1186
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,720
it's a very valid reason to do because i

1187
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,839
don't know

1188
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,480
i'm looking at the radar and it's it's

1189
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,319
pretty nasty actually there's quite a

1190
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:14,160
large hook but i think it's going north

1191
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,920
of where i'm at right now so i think i'm

1192
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:17,359
all right but i will be keeping an eye

1193
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:18,079
on it

1194
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:20,319
if you see me run grab my phone out of

1195
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:27,270
i think i'm okay so um and now uh

1196
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,400
so would you be if there was a

1197
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:31,839
you know let's say an invitation that

1198
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,520
might have come you come with you

1199
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,040
you're away from these different

1200
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,200
conferences going on uh

1201
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:39,040
would you be interested to just get back

1202
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:41,119
on you know on the road again and

1203
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:44,640
and do do in person speaking

1204
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,000
yes um because um you know for

1205
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:50,240
15 years i only had one week vacation it

1206
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:52,160
was extremely difficult

1207
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,280
to work um you know a whole year with

1208
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:56,960
one week's vacation

1209
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,240
and uh try to do that too

1210
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:03,200
and my job was the most important thing

1211
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:04,720
that pays the bills

1212
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:07,920
not this stuff and um

1213
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:11,040
so uh yeah now i'm retired for one thing

1214
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,720
it's like everything kind of dovetailed

1215
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:14,720
in my life the book was finished

1216
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,839
i'm retiring you know i'm out of i'm not

1217
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:19,119
working now

1218
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,160
and um i'm

1219
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,400
you know i'm in probably the best health

1220
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:26,480
i've been in probably for years

1221
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,520
after this recent

1222
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,200
couple surgeries i ended up having to

1223
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,680
have uh in january

1224
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:35,440
and so it's like everything kind of came

1225
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,800
together in this

1226
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:39,119
beautiful little perfect storm of and

1227
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,880
now is the time to finish this come on

1228
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:42,960
girl it's like something was pushing me

1229
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:46,160
and then look what started to open up

1230
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:46,880
you know

1231
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:49,599
mainstream media started picking up all

1232
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,000
these

1233
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,480
different people are waking up to this

1234
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:54,000
and realizing hey there's something to

1235
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,559
this

1236
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,079
and it just seems like it's all

1237
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:58,800
dovetailed for me so yes and i would

1238
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:02,000
um i'm hoping that once you know

1239
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:04,240
covet is kind of in the rearview mirror

1240
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,000
and people are more comfortable

1241
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,559
uh gathering and having these

1242
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:10,800
conferences again that i will be able to

1243
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:14,400
to go and do some uh i like to go meet

1244
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,200
people like me

1245
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,960
that's the best part of that that's what

1246
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,559
i love the most about those

1247
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,400
that hour i'm on the stage is

1248
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:22,559
nerve-wracking and makes my stomach hurt

1249
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:25,680
because i'm not a public speaker and

1250
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,240
i'm i'm self-conscious and plus look

1251
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:29,839
what i'm talking about you know

1252
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:32,480
but it's it's after it's over with you

1253
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,000
know to get to meet

1254
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:36,480
so many people like me and who've had

1255
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:37,599
weird experiences

1256
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:40,240
and it's that's the best part for me and

1257
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:41,119
i feel

1258
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,119
you know i miss that so i'm hoping that

1259
00:48:46,829 --> 00:48:44,960
yes that that will

1260
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:46,839
i'll have opportunities for that in the

1261
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:48,079
future

1262
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,359
all right well that's that's good to

1263
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,359
know i'm glad you do all right well

1264
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:53,680
um i guess figured let's start with some

1265
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:54,880
questions and there's one

1266
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:58,880
that um came in from michael j schuman

1267
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:01,680
and um says for those of us who haven't

1268
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,160
read

1269
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,280
bud hopkins book or your first book what

1270
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,359
do you was your last encounter

1271
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:09,440
uh were they typical grace or another

1272
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:10,559
alien type

1273
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,839
could you please give us a little

1274
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,680
background so i guess maybe we should

1275
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:15,200
have covered that i always assume people

1276
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:16,480
are going to watch the first part

1277
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,119
because

1278
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:19,200
there's a lot that you have to to cover

1279
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:20,480
over it i didn't want to

1280
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:23,040
regurgitate but maybe for those that are

1281
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,680
new

1282
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:25,440
maybe maybe it is a good question to

1283
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,240
just reiterate a little bit

1284
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:31,040
i'll try to do the quickest synopsis of

1285
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:31,280
it

1286
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:39,040
but um i've had strange things happen to

1287
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:40,000
me my whole life

1288
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,680
uh apparent what people consider

1289
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:43,680
paranormal um

1290
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:47,440
ghost um you know poltergeist activity

1291
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:50,640
things like that um and then uh

1292
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:54,800
i've had a dream in 78 where these two

1293
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,079
uh gray aliens basically

1294
00:50:01,190 --> 00:50:00,079
the little gray guys with the big head

1295
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:01,200
big eyes

1296
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:04,079
came in my room with this black box and

1297
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,880
um

1298
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:07,119
i was couldn't wake my husband up and i

1299
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,480
was terrified

1300
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:11,280
but at some point during being terrified

1301
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:12,000
i suddenly felt

1302
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:14,720
calm and i uh remember asking them what

1303
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,559
the box was and they said that

1304
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,800
when i saw it again i would remember it

1305
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,200
and uh i would know how to use it

1306
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,440
so and then they just kind of slid back

1307
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,119
away from me and disappeared

1308
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,880
i remembered the whole thing i told my

1309
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:29,119
husband about it i was hysterical i told

1310
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:29,440
my

1311
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:33,440
the next morning after they left i fell

1312
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:34,880
asleep then when i woke up

1313
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,599
it's like right there it wasn't i didn't

1314
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:39,200
have any hypnosis to remember any of

1315
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:39,520
that

1316
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:46,800
um june 30 1983 was like the major

1317
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:49,760
that's what intruders centers around

1318
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,240
that

1319
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:53,040
particular thing which is a big long

1320
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,880
thing that went on all night

1321
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,800
uh i was missing for about an hour and a

1322
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,800
half or two hours

1323
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:00,880
and i still don't remember more than

1324
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:03,520
maybe about 15 or 20 minutes of it

1325
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,359
it also involved my mother and my

1326
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,359
friend and neighbor behind me whom i was

1327
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:11,200
going to sew with that night

1328
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,000
uh it left a mark in the yard that

1329
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:16,800
lasted for about two and a half years

1330
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:19,520
snow melted off of it that first year it

1331
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:22,480
damaged the power lines and the

1332
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:25,520
cable coaxials from my dad's ham radio

1333
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:26,720
antenna

1334
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:30,000
into the house i was sick

1335
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:33,280
it damaged my eyes and i had to

1336
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,880
go to the hospital the next morning

1337
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:36,800
because they were swollen shut

1338
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:39,280
and then when i was in my 30s i was

1339
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:40,079
diagnosed with

1340
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:41,760
severe cataracts and had to have my

1341
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:43,920
lenses replaced

1342
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:51,510
uh i remembered

1343
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:54,480
from that night uh when i was coming out

1344
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:55,680
of the garage

1345
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,880
uh at my mom's house that something hit

1346
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:00,960
me in the chest like a ball of light

1347
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:03,599
and i couldn't move but i could feel

1348
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:04,480
like

1349
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:07,760
every molecule of my body vibrate inside

1350
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:08,319
and out

1351
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,359
and i know my eyes were closed but i

1352
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:12,800
could still see this light it was so

1353
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:13,440
intense

1354
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:16,960
and then after that intensity

1355
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:20,480
waned i realized i was no longer in the

1356
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:22,079
doorway of the garage but out on the

1357
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:23,599
patio and that's when i saw this

1358
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:24,720
egg-shaped

1359
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,640
small craft for lack of

1360
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:30,319
i don't even know what you call it i

1361
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:33,200
don't think those there were six

1362
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:35,200
small child-sized individuals in the

1363
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:36,480
backyard

1364
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:38,000
and they all moved towards this thing

1365
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:39,760
and went into it and i don't think

1366
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,920
six of anybody could fly anywhere and

1367
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,280
this thing was small so i really don't

1368
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:45,040
know what it was

1369
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:48,160
um and

1370
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:51,760
uh i mean it's i know i'm i'm sounding

1371
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:52,960
squirrely because it's

1372
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:56,079
if i go detail by detail like my mind

1373
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:57,119
wants to

1374
00:53:00,870 --> 00:53:00,000
then it drags on forever and it but it's

1375
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:00,880
uh

1376
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:04,000
it was an intense um

1377
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:07,680
uh experience and it left me damaged

1378
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:10,480
and um eventually the dog that was out

1379
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:12,079
there with me that night had to be put

1380
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:18,309
and afterwards i think i had a nervous

1381
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:19,920
breakdown

1382
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,920
but that's when i reached out and that's

1383
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:23,760
the experience that propelled me to

1384
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:26,400
reach out to bud hopkins

1385
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:29,200
because i had read his book missing time

1386
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:30,960
a few months back

1387
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:33,680
parts of it and i knew there was an

1388
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:35,040
address in the back of the book so i

1389
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:36,800
could write to him so i did

1390
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:39,040
and that's how everything started from

1391
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:41,040
there he came

1392
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,520
and did three years of investigation and

1393
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:45,359
research

1394
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:48,720
um more and more things came out

1395
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:51,520
not just about me but my sister and my

1396
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:52,559
mother

1397
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,079
and so so the second part of the

1398
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,319
question was uh were they typical grace

1399
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:00,240
or another alien type

1400
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,440
yeah they were 90 of the contact i had

1401
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:05,599
is with typical gray looking things

1402
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:06,559
although

1403
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:10,880
i have had also uh experiences with

1404
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:18,870
human looking now my sister

1405
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,920
has had my sister had it my older sister

1406
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,280
had experience

1407
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:25,359
not with the grace but with she called

1408
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:26,880
the mantis type

1409
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,400
like a praying mantis um

1410
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,880
i never i don't recall the having seen

1411
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:33,760
those

1412
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:39,510
right you know i've heard many stories

1413
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,720
and and i've

1414
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,240
done many different interviews with

1415
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:44,319
people's also recalled that

1416
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:46,240
that um i don't know what details your

1417
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,760
sister might have given you but

1418
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:49,920
my their impression was like they're

1419
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:51,760
supposed to be

1420
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,079
genetic i can't even pronounce the word

1421
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,480
right now geneticists

1422
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:58,160
dealing with genetics i'm sorry i feel

1423
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:59,920
like i don't know why i'm having a hard

1424
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:01,920
time with that word

1425
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:04,960
anyway so what i wanted to ask you

1426
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:07,680
uh we have have another question in uh

1427
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:08,799
over the the phone

1428
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:11,280
uh you i couldn't remember if you if you

1429
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:12,559
said okay or no

1430
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,079
regarding that yeah that's fine with me

1431
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,920
okay good deal all right uh kenny i'm

1432
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:19,359
gonna meet you uh

1433
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:20,799
go ahead and mute yourself and please

1434
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,470
yes i was wondering have you ever had

1435
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:28,000
anyone steal your ideas

1436
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:34,630
have i ever had anybody steal my ideas

1437
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,480
or met an angel um i don't know if i've

1438
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:40,559
ever had anybody steal my ideas

1439
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:49,190
and has i met an angel i believe i have

1440
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,119
when my husband died i um

1441
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:55,680
of course i had to go to the hospital uh

1442
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:57,440
you know for him he committed suicide in

1443
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:57,920
our

1444
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:01,440
hospital and be pronounced dead by a

1445
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:02,240
doctor

1446
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,760
uh i was in that little room nobody

1447
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,920
wants to be in and i was by myself

1448
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:07,920
and a man came in and was dressed like a

1449
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:09,200
priest and he

1450
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:11,280
uh got down on his knees in front of me

1451
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,720
which i thought was odd

1452
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,400
told me that my husband did not make it

1453
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:16,079
and then he would pray with me

1454
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:18,319
and i said you're a priest you tell me

1455
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,480
will he go to hell because uh

1456
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:23,040
uh you know he killed himself and this

1457
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,760
guy said

1458
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,599
uh god calls everyone home in different

1459
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:27,520
ways if it wasn't his time to go the gun

1460
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:28,799
would have misfired

1461
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:31,839
and so it that gave me a lot of peace

1462
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,480
and comfort and then so like a week or

1463
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:36,240
two later i went back to the hospital

1464
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:37,680
because i wanted to find this guy and

1465
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:39,760
thank him for those words

1466
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,920
and when i described him and told the

1467
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:43,440
the lady what he looked like and

1468
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,240
everything

1469
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:46,640
everyone at the hospital said nobody

1470
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:47,680
comes here

1471
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:49,920
who fits that description that doesn't

1472
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:51,839
sound like anybody that

1473
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,880
any of us know uh i hadn't told him what

1474
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:56,480
he'd said i just said i wanted to thank

1475
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:57,280
him because he was

1476
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:59,440
kind to me and they said nobody works

1477
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,400
here that that

1478
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:02,480
is anywhere remotely like that and so i

1479
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:03,599
left and i thought

1480
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:06,640
that was an angel who came to me in my

1481
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:13,829
great thank you for that uh so pauline b

1482
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:14,559
is

1483
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:16,720
asking does deborah know the reason why

1484
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:23,109
i do not um that's a question that i've

1485
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:24,480
been asking

1486
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:30,720
there are theories that it's something

1487
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:31,680
genetic

1488
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:35,839
and it is a fact that my mother was uh

1489
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,000
adopted and had um

1490
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,160
so she didn't know a lot about her real

1491
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:44,640
family you know her birth family and

1492
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:48,000
had a strange experience when she was a

1493
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:48,559
child

1494
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:51,200
so i don't know if you know it's because

1495
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,319
of my mother

1496
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:54,240
that there was interest in me and my

1497
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,440
sister

1498
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,040
and it's funny because it seems to be

1499
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,440
the females in the family not

1500
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,920
my brother doesn't my brother swears up

1501
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:03,359
and down he's

1502
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:06,400
doesn't have anything like this but me

1503
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:07,200
my sister

1504
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:10,799
my mother you know and i kind of

1505
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:13,520
think maybe my granddaughter may have

1506
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:14,079
had

1507
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,599
something happen although i don't really

1508
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:18,000
want to think about that so

1509
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:21,359
okay um tammy

1510
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:24,400
frazier is asking uh what does deb think

1511
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:31,030
you know at the end of the day i don't

1512
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:32,319
really know i can

1513
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:36,720
i can guess i can have opinions um

1514
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:39,760
and i felt like uh someone is actually

1515
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:42,400
maybe at some point said it was good it

1516
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:43,920
was a good thing because it was gonna

1517
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:44,319
help

1518
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:47,599
us humans and it kind of led me to

1519
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,240
believe that

1520
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:49,920
they were actually coming from our

1521
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:52,720
future and we're coming back to

1522
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:55,200
correct something or change something to

1523
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:56,480
change the future

1524
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,349
thoughts and theories i don't have

1525
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:05,680
anything that i can you know

1526
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:08,799
prove that with and it's flexible i'm

1527
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:09,280
open

1528
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:10,559
because like i said at the end of the

1529
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:18,390
uh sorry i'm just uh sidetracking myself

1530
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:19,440
a little bit trying to

1531
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:21,359
make sense some of these questions uh i

1532
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:22,960
wish people would take just a little bit

1533
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:23,599
more time

1534
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:26,880
spelling things out properly but um

1535
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:30,079
this one is from pauline against asking

1536
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:32,079
does she believe that there was a

1537
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:39,190
you know other people have asked me that

1538
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:40,640
and i've heard other people talk about

1539
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:41,200
that

1540
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:42,720
obviously i've heard everybody talk

1541
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:44,319
about all kinds of stuff over the last

1542
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:45,680
30 years

1543
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:49,599
i i don't know for sure but i can say

1544
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:52,960
that i have when i was younger i had

1545
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:56,160
memories of like

1546
01:00:02,549 --> 01:00:00,240
before i was born if you can figure that

1547
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:02,559
dreams i guess i had before i was born

1548
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:03,599
where i would say

1549
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:06,880
um i'm going to have kids i'm going to

1550
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:09,040
be a mother i will be divorced i think

1551
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:10,720
i'll be a widow too

1552
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:12,880
um i'm going to do this kind of job and

1553
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:14,000
i'm gonna live here

1554
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,880
you know i remember all that and my mom

1555
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,799
told me one time

1556
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:20,799
you know after i moved into the big

1557
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:22,400
farmhouse with my late husband

1558
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:24,559
before he passed away and my mom i

1559
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:25,839
remember my mom and i sitting on the

1560
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,000
front porch and she says to me

1561
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:30,559
you know look at this house when you

1562
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:32,240
were a little kid you used to tell me

1563
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,440
that you were going to live in a big

1564
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:35,280
white house with the green roof and a

1565
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:37,040
green porch swing and look where we're

1566
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:38,559
at right now and i'm like really did i

1567
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:39,359
do

1568
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:41,200
because i didn't remember that but she

1569
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:42,960
told me that so i mean there might be

1570
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:44,000
something to that

1571
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:46,160
i'm open-minded you know it wouldn't

1572
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:47,680
surprise me

1573
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:51,200
uh based on things i have dreamed about

1574
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:54,400
right um this this one is not so much a

1575
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:56,079
question just more of a statement nick

1576
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:56,640
says

1577
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:59,119
deb is a really cool chick uh can you

1578
01:01:03,510 --> 01:00:59,920
tell her

1579
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:03,520
can you let her know that well thank you

1580
01:01:06,270 --> 01:01:05,760
i've been called a cool chick in 40

1581
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:06,280
years

1582
01:01:11,109 --> 01:01:08,559
[Laughter]

1583
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:11,119
um ida hernandez is asking did the

1584
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:13,119
aliens know of your health issues and

1585
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:14,480
offered to heal you

1586
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:16,640
i've heard other abductees stories about

1587
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:17,760
aliens healing them

1588
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:20,799
thank you i have heard other people and

1589
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:22,240
i know other people that have had

1590
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:23,760
experiences and that have had

1591
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:25,359
experiences where they were healed

1592
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,720
and at one point both my sister and i

1593
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:30,799
had vague memories of being told that if

1594
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,839
something you know

1595
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:33,440
fatal ever happened to us all we had to

1596
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:35,359
do was just go

1597
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:37,920
somewhere and ask for help and we would

1598
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:39,119
be

1599
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:42,880
healed um that didn't happen for her

1600
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:46,160
obviously and she's you know she's in

1601
01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:48,240
in a nursing home after multiple strokes

1602
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,559
and things but

1603
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,640
and i've had a lot of health issues and

1604
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:54,480
some of them i feel

1605
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:57,520
may be connected to my um

1606
01:02:01,510 --> 01:02:00,000
contact but i don't think it was

1607
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,520
intentional

1608
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:03,680
uh so i would like to put out there to

1609
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:05,280
the universe you know if

1610
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:08,319
feel free to come and fix you know

1611
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:10,319
what i what i still got left going on

1612
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:11,440
here i

1613
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:14,559
won't argue with you about that

1614
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:17,039
so but yeah i do know people that's had

1615
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:18,160
that

1616
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:21,440
it would be nice right

1617
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:23,680
well of course you know um because i

1618
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:25,760
know uh dolores cannon's work

1619
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:28,720
what she did is basically um past life

1620
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:29,440
regressions

1621
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:31,599
and a lot of people come come in with

1622
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:32,480
ailments

1623
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:34,799
and she would always tell them you know

1624
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:37,119
not everyone can be healed because

1625
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:38,720
there's certain things they're needing

1626
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:41,119
to learn and that's such a

1627
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:43,280
hard thing for people to understand too

1628
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:44,720
you know they always just want it

1629
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:47,200
out not real realizing it's there for a

1630
01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:48,000
reason and for

1631
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:50,799
purpose and however painful it is to to

1632
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:52,480
have to understand why you have it you

1633
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,160
know whatever whatever that

1634
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:56,880
this is you know i love to play on words

1635
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:58,240
you know whatever that disease

1636
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:01,440
is you know it's there for you to try to

1637
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:03,440
understand it

1638
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:08,319
right let me see

1639
01:03:14,829 --> 01:03:11,440
polina again asking if not too personal

1640
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:14,839
is that is deborah blood type o negative

1641
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:16,160
thanks

1642
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:19,200
actually i am a positive

1643
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:21,839
my mother was a negative and my father

1644
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:22,319
was o

1645
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,920
positive so i don't know how they mixed

1646
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,359
get me but that's

1647
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:29,520
and i know they're blood i was with them

1648
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:30,880
on their medical stuff

1649
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:33,839
you know before they passed away so but

1650
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,400
i'm a positive

1651
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:38,240
yeah i know it's um i don't want to

1652
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:40,240
sound too silly regarding that i

1653
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:43,440
you know i thought at least you get uh

1654
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:46,400
from one or the other parents blood type

1655
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:47,280
but not

1656
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:49,119
make a new one all together that's

1657
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:50,400
interesting maybe

1658
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:51,920
maybe it's a normal thing and i just

1659
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:53,440
don't know i'm gonna have to look that

1660
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:55,119
up it's uh

1661
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:56,799
very rare that i'm not too familiar with

1662
01:04:02,549 --> 01:03:58,720
something like that

1663
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:02,559
um so i'm not either i have no clue

1664
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:05,119
right well because a lot of times people

1665
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,480
ask about that

1666
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:08,160
specifically about that oh negative

1667
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:10,160
connection because i know

1668
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:13,680
i'm o positive you know and um

1669
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:15,839
you know i i don't know personally

1670
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:16,880
because i've known people that have

1671
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:18,240
different blood types

1672
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,920
so uh there seems to be a lot of

1673
01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:24,000
uh inquiry regarding that from people

1674
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:26,319
they just they want to know and try to

1675
01:04:29,349 --> 01:04:27,680
connect the dots and

1676
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:29,359
and see you know if there's some kind of

1677
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:31,440
pattern there you know because

1678
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:34,480
it seems like if i just based on all

1679
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:35,839
the people i've talked to and

1680
01:04:39,910 --> 01:04:38,240
specifically experiencers i mean they

1681
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:39,920
they run the gamut you know regarding

1682
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:42,000
what types so i don't know

1683
01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:45,039
that you know that that the o negative

1684
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:50,319
is um you know necessary for for contact

1685
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:53,359
yeah i don't uh no i don't think so and

1686
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:54,319
um

1687
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:57,039
you know i i actually even remember in a

1688
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:58,160
dream years ago

1689
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:59,839
one of the things i'd written down that

1690
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:01,680
i was told was that all the answers that

1691
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:02,559
we're looking for

1692
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:04,880
we could find in our blood but i don't

1693
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,559
think it was in reference to the blood

1694
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:08,400
type i think it was more in reference to

1695
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:09,760
the dna

1696
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:14,000
you know so right

1697
01:05:20,829 --> 01:05:17,760
so i have a question from fab 22

1698
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:20,839
says deborah thank you for staying

1699
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:22,160
online

1700
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:25,200
whilst whilst the skypes are about to

1701
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:27,599
oh why the sky while the sky is about to

1702
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:28,480
fall on your

1703
01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:35,670
oh yeah you know i mean i'm i have ptsd

1704
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:36,799
from storms i'm

1705
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:39,359
not gonna lie i mean i actually see a

1706
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:40,400
therapist and take

1707
01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:42,960
uh emdr treatments for it that's how

1708
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:44,319
traumatic it was

1709
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:48,880
but um i mean i'm

1710
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:51,440
watching the radar and i just peeked out

1711
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:52,720
the window

1712
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:54,000
and i've just gotten a couple text

1713
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,760
messages from friends saying do you know

1714
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:57,359
we have a tornado warning

1715
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:59,599
but uh right but the way i'm seeing it

1716
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:00,400
now i mean

1717
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:04,079
it seems like it's moving pretty uh

1718
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:07,520
uh northeast of me so uh

1719
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:10,720
but but thanks yeah i'm well that's good

1720
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:11,839
i'm glad you're not a little bit

1721
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:13,359
distracted but i'm i'm

1722
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:16,000
still doing good i'm trying to keep

1723
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:16,559
ahead

1724
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:18,880
keep a level head well i can i can

1725
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:19,920
imagine if you've

1726
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:21,359
been through something that traumatic

1727
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:23,280
and has that affected you of course

1728
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:25,039
your attention would be more on that but

1729
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,280
thank you for for staying on and

1730
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:29,680
uh you know doing this with us but uh

1731
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:32,079
there's another question from

1732
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,520
um from michael schuman saying deborah

1733
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:37,680
have your children had any abduction

1734
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:41,200
or paranormal experiences yet

1735
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:45,119
yeah my children are in their 40s so

1736
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,280
but when they were little they did now

1737
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:49,200
they don't like to talk about it

1738
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:53,119
um i actually don't talk about it with

1739
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:54,000
my older son

1740
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:55,760
he's the father of my granddaughter my

1741
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:57,280
younger son will still tell me when

1742
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:59,200
weird stuff happens but it's never been

1743
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:00,319
anything

1744
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:03,200
dramatic um who might see something in

1745
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:04,079
the sky

1746
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:06,720
or he might see something that he thinks

1747
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,400
is like paranormal activity which he'll

1748
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:10,480
report to me that kind of freaks him out

1749
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:13,599
uh when they were little my oldest used

1750
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:14,319
to

1751
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:17,200
uh would talk about the uh little man in

1752
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:18,000
the closet who

1753
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:19,920
come to get his brother so what he told

1754
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:21,359
bud and i think he was maybe

1755
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:24,960
four or five and um tried to draw a

1756
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:26,480
picture of him he drew a picture of the

1757
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:27,440
little man

1758
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:29,440
and then he drew a picture of e.t you

1759
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:30,880
know because e.t

1760
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:34,079
the e.t phone home you know i mean

1761
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:35,680
because all the kids love that movie and

1762
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:37,119
everything and so i mean

1763
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:38,559
bud was like look he can tell the

1764
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:39,839
difference between the little man in his

1765
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:40,960
closet in e.t

1766
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:44,880
so that's interesting but um

1767
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:47,039
you know screaming one time that there

1768
01:07:52,470 --> 01:07:49,119
was a red spider crawling up the wall

1769
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,480
and then uh being awakened

1770
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:54,720
by screams from my oldest son and my

1771
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:56,000
youngest son was like

1772
01:08:00,549 --> 01:07:57,839
passed out in the bed he was probably

1773
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:00,559
only i don't know three or four

1774
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:02,880
uh just covered in blood all and it was

1775
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,839
smeared up the wall

1776
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:05,280
coming out of his nose i had to take him

1777
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:06,400
to the hospital and they had to

1778
01:08:13,029 --> 01:08:11,270
but the little guy's tiny little

1779
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:13,039
nostrils and big fat fingers there's no

1780
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:14,480
way he stuck his finger up there and

1781
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:15,920
scratched his nose so

1782
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:18,880
we don't know what that what happened

1783
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:19,520
there

1784
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,640
sorry just peeking uh but he um

1785
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:24,400
to look outside is it still pretty

1786
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:25,839
bright out stuff

1787
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:28,239
huh i saw you peeking outside to

1788
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:29,839
checking just peeking out the window i

1789
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:31,279
heard some thunder but it doesn't look

1790
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:32,480
that bad

1791
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:36,159
um i really think it's going to go more

1792
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:39,279
north of me i'm gonna make it go no go

1793
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:42,319
good deal but um so yeah my kids have

1794
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,279
had stuff

1795
01:08:46,630 --> 01:08:45,600
but when they were little and as far as

1796
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:46,640
uh my older son

1797
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:48,960
anything now he he does not like to talk

1798
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:50,799
about he doesn't want to talk about it

1799
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:53,199
and so i don't ask him out of respect

1800
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:54,880
because he's an adult

1801
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:57,920
uh i have a granddaughter who is 14

1802
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:00,719
and when she was about five or six for a

1803
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:02,640
period of about six months she had

1804
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:05,120
horrible night terrors and she told her

1805
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,239
father that

1806
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:08,799
some men with big heads were trying to

1807
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:10,319
get in her room and take her out of her

1808
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:11,279
window

1809
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:15,920
and my son got furious with me

1810
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:18,239
he called me up and he's like damn it

1811
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:19,920
mom why are you

1812
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:21,600
what did you tell her blah blah blah

1813
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:23,040
because she used to spend every weekend

1814
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:24,400
with me i'm like dude i didn't tell her

1815
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:26,080
anything i have no idea where this is

1816
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:27,520
coming from

1817
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,679
even when there was stuff on tv that

1818
01:09:34,229 --> 01:09:31,520
even remotely looked like there was like

1819
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:34,239
a commercial for alien stuff

1820
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:35,920
back then i would flip the channel we

1821
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:38,000
never talked about it that was a rule we

1822
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,000
had when my kids were little because

1823
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,799
we didn't a want to scare them and b

1824
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:44,880
want to contaminate any memory they may

1825
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:46,400
have with something

1826
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:48,880
uh for later you know so we just it was

1827
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:50,560
a rule we didn't talk about it around

1828
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:52,239
the boys and

1829
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:53,839
we didn't talk about it around my

1830
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:56,400
granddaughter so this went on for

1831
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:58,560
several months and then finally it

1832
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,600
stopped

1833
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:01,920
thank god my son had to go to extreme

1834
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:02,640
measures

1835
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,800
you know he made the anti-alien spray

1836
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:06,560
with air freshener and

1837
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:09,199
got her a radio and a night light and

1838
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:11,360
closed up her windows real tight and

1839
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:13,360
you know all that stuff until she

1840
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:15,040
finally calmed down and then she had

1841
01:10:19,270 --> 01:10:16,880
she hadn't done it since then like i

1842
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:19,280
said she's 14 now but the funny thing is

1843
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:20,960
well i guess it's not funny but i mean

1844
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:23,199
she's a super smart

1845
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:26,400
kid super duper smart really gonna be

1846
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,960
something

1847
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:29,040
special and she's my little minnie me

1848
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:30,000
she can't even look like

1849
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:34,000
her nene but um she was with me one

1850
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:36,400
one day not too long ago and we were

1851
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:38,000
watching tv and the commercial for

1852
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:39,360
ancient aliens came on and

1853
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:40,640
you know i thought okay at this point

1854
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:41,920
i'm not going to worry about changing

1855
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:44,000
the channel she's 14.

1856
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:46,560
uh it's just a commercial she's the

1857
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:48,320
airwaves are flooded with this stuff now

1858
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,280
you know

1859
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:52,560
not like back then and uh after the

1860
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:53,840
commercial was over she turned around

1861
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:54,880
and looked at me and she said

1862
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:58,159
nene do you believe in aliens you know

1863
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:59,040
you know she don't

1864
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:01,520
know nothing about any of this really

1865
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:02,880
yet and i go

1866
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:04,400
i just looked at her and said yep sure

1867
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:07,040
do and she just looked at me kind of

1868
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:08,159
funny and then she says

1869
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:11,120
so do i and i said cool she's like yeah

1870
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:12,080
cool

1871
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:13,679
and that was it that's the extent of our

1872
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:15,440
conversation so

1873
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:18,159
you know i don't know whether she's had

1874
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:18,719
anything

1875
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:22,000
i'm not gonna ask her uh hopefully one

1876
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:23,600
day she'll feel comfortable and come to

1877
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:24,880
me

1878
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:28,159
that's very interesting

1879
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,560
i can't certainly say that everyone is

1880
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:32,960
like this but i find that a majority

1881
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:35,600
of experiencer inclu including myself

1882
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:36,000
and

1883
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:39,600
friends we don't we don't talk to our

1884
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:40,080
children

1885
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:42,719
about that about it it's not we're

1886
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:44,320
trying to hide them it's almost like

1887
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:45,440
when they're ready

1888
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:47,120
they're going to ask us when it's time

1889
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:49,120
and we'll be there and be open to talk

1890
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:49,840
to them

1891
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:52,239
but you know right now it's like you

1892
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:53,840
know i just want them to have a normal

1893
01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:56,080
life do what they got to do and whenever

1894
01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:58,640
happens whatever happens in their lives

1895
01:12:02,390 --> 01:11:59,679
you know they'll know

1896
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:02,400
who to come to and ask the questions

1897
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:03,120
exactly

1898
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:04,880
you know that was the whole point of my

1899
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:06,960
entire life here doing what i've done

1900
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:08,960
is so that my boys could have a normal

1901
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:11,199
life you know i didn't want them to have

1902
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:14,320
to deal with it um the way i did

1903
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:17,679
but um i mean there's some some of it

1904
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,640
you can't stop

1905
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:20,880
like you know whatever happened with my

1906
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:22,080
granddaughter there i

1907
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,440
had no control over that but uh

1908
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:28,159
at least she knows she you know she can

1909
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:28,719
tell me

1910
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:30,719
she knows that if she wants to talk

1911
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:32,239
about something later then

1912
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:35,520
grant that nene's cool so she calls me

1913
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:36,480
nini

1914
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:38,880
yeah you know it's as much understanding

1915
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:39,840
as i have

1916
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:43,040
personally and you know i don't know uh

1917
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:45,040
how you feel about this but even i

1918
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:47,280
noticed that

1919
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:49,199
you know our youngest one sometimes

1920
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:51,760
he'll like i don't know where he'll be

1921
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:53,120
you know of course they're they're

1922
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:54,800
almost like in this 80d stage but

1923
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:56,640
there's a specific type of look where he

1924
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:58,640
like stops turns around and looks at

1925
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:59,440
something

1926
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:01,040
you know and we're asking like orion

1927
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:02,560
what is it you know and he'll just kind

1928
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:04,159
of like keep looking at it keep looking

1929
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:05,440
and then he'll move on

1930
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:07,040
you know and it's like these just on

1931
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:08,480
very occasion it doesn't do it all the

1932
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:09,040
time

1933
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:10,719
you know and it's and i thought about

1934
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:12,400
this it's like with as much as

1935
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:15,040
i have experienced and whatever also my

1936
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:16,320
wife went through

1937
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:19,760
i would still find it hard knowing that

1938
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:22,800
my son would then kind of have to go

1939
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:24,400
through the similar process because you

1940
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:26,080
know there's this dad in me that

1941
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:27,679
no matter how much understanding i have

1942
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:29,440
no matter how much i know

1943
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,679
that from person experience that it's

1944
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:33,600
you know upon agreement

1945
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:36,239
you know that you know it's it's nothing

1946
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,280
is done against

1947
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:39,840
against the will at different times

1948
01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:41,760
different things will be happening

1949
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:43,840
to prep you for your next stage in life

1950
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:45,679
i mean happened to me when i was a kid

1951
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:48,239
and it's wouldn't be a surprise for for

1952
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:49,440
my children to happen

1953
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,280
but i still can't help it that i'm just

1954
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:53,280
like i almost want to just be this

1955
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:55,520
uh protective you know dad and just be

1956
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:56,640
like no you know

1957
01:14:00,149 --> 01:13:58,400
wait till they're adults then interact

1958
01:14:00,870 --> 01:14:00,159
with them that kind of thing you know

1959
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:00,880
because i don't

1960
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:03,760
i don't know why it's just uh i i just

1961
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:04,719
still feel protect

1962
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:06,239
you know protected of them even though

1963
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:07,840
there's nothing to be afraid of

1964
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:10,320
and and no point and you know has there

1965
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:11,679
ever been something that

1966
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:14,719
uh that was you know a true danger where

1967
01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:15,040
i

1968
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:41,440
healthy

1969
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:45,360
i'm alive um you know so uh

1970
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:49,040
you know uh but yeah early on in

1971
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:51,280
my awakening and my realization of what

1972
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:53,440
was going on i mean i was terrified and

1973
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:55,280
i did have a lot of fear and anxiety

1974
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:58,480
that first year after

1975
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,520
the june 3083 thing i

1976
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:03,600
pretty much stayed up every night and

1977
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:05,120
stayed up all night long

1978
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:08,719
and would sit in a chair between my

1979
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:11,600
two little boys bed they were you know

1980
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:13,280
like maybe three and four years old and

1981
01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:14,800
we were living with my mom and dad

1982
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:16,880
thank god because i pretty much had a

1983
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:18,560
nervous breakdown for that period of

1984
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:19,520
time and

1985
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:21,679
like i said i'd be up all night like i

1986
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:23,440
was just waiting and watching and

1987
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:25,040
guarding my children and then

1988
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:28,400
i could sleep when the sun came up and

1989
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:30,000
other people in the house were up and

1990
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:32,239
awake then i would fall asleep you know

1991
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:35,600
out of exhaustion thank god that

1992
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:37,760
i was able to overcome that thank god

1993
01:15:42,149 --> 01:15:38,719
for my parents

1994
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:42,159
because they i don't know what i'd done

1995
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:44,159
without them but

1996
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:46,719
you know so yeah my mama bear instincts

1997
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:47,840
were in high mode

1998
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:50,960
for a long long time and

1999
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:53,199
my boys are good they're in their 40s

2000
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:54,560
they're both

2001
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,920
uh productive members of society and

2002
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:59,600
they're good kid they're good kids

2003
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:01,920
they're good men uh you know so i did

2004
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:03,760
something right and

2005
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:06,800
um whatever they have

2006
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:10,239
uh as far as this paranormal

2007
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:13,360
ufo experience goes you know they

2008
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:15,040
always know they can come to me and talk

2009
01:16:19,030 --> 01:16:16,800
to me if they need to so

2010
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:19,040
right right otherwise i gotta just trust

2011
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:20,320
them they know how to live their lives

2012
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:20,960
they're grown

2013
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:24,960
something

2014
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,560
yeah just knowing just that part of

2015
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:28,400
knowing that they can come to you and

2016
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:30,000
you know just i think that's that's all

2017
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:31,840
they really need um

2018
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:34,320
yeah when you think about it so anyway

2019
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:34,880
just uh

2020
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:36,000
thank you all very much for your

2021
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:37,920
questions uh i'm just gonna keep on

2022
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:38,960
going down the list

2023
01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:41,920
remember uh you can also go on telegram

2024
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:43,280
and just like kenny did

2025
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:46,239
uh log in and asked uh a question of uh

2026
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:47,280
w yourself

2027
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:49,679
so just putting that out there the other

2028
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:50,480
question

2029
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:54,480
um deb is from fab 22 again

2030
01:17:02,070 --> 01:16:58,400
have you had telepathic quote unquote

2031
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:02,080
warming or warning that a communication

2032
01:17:06,229 --> 01:17:05,040
was about to happen then it does happen

2033
01:17:14,470 --> 01:17:06,239
with

2034
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:16,709
well that's what i can tell you i'm not

2035
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:18,159
sure if i understand the question

2036
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:19,280
completely but here

2037
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:21,679
basically like uh um have you had an

2038
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:23,199
inkling i think it wants to say like

2039
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:24,480
that there's something coming

2040
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:26,000
telepathically and then

2041
01:17:30,070 --> 01:17:27,679
within like in the next two hours you

2042
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:30,080
have an actual experience

2043
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:34,159
yeah i've had it's been uh

2044
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:35,600
there were a couple times when it was

2045
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:38,000
maybe like telepathically i was in bed

2046
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:40,400
but i wasn't asleep yet you know and it

2047
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:42,560
kind of came into my mind

2048
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:45,920
um but then there's

2049
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:48,640
been a few times i recall where prior to

2050
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:49,920
something weird happening that

2051
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:52,880
i would hear a sound like some kind of

2052
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:54,159
weird tone

2053
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:57,040
uh it would almost be more than hear it

2054
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:57,520
almost

2055
01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:00,719
feel it you know um i've had that

2056
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:02,800
experience a few times

2057
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:06,159
and then uh but

2058
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:08,719
and then later on in life the only

2059
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:11,280
contact that i had at all was

2060
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:14,400
maybe telepathic in some way or uh

2061
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:18,800
you know like my consciousness

2062
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:21,600
you know went somewhere else not my body

2063
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:23,520
if that makes any sense

2064
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:26,560
right it does

2065
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:29,760
okay sorry i'm just uh doing some multi

2066
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:31,840
the storm is breaking up and it's going

2067
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:35,199
away just like i told it to so yeah

2068
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:38,000
good good i'm glad i'm glad that that's

2069
01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:51,590
i'm sorry one of the questions i don't

2070
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:53,440
understand i think it was

2071
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:55,120
a compliment i still don't don't get i

2072
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:57,040
think they're trying

2073
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:59,679
i think it's nick again trying to say oh

2074
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:01,280
some i think it's someone that like you

2075
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:03,280
you don't look anything near the age you

2076
01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:04,640
mentioned

2077
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:08,080
oh thanks genetics

2078
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:09,920
and i don't even know what that comment

2079
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:11,199
meant there you know

2080
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:14,719
right right right right uh so mike

2081
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:17,199
michael schumann asks uh deb do you

2082
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:18,320
think

2083
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:25,120
we

2084
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:28,880
ets or not

2085
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:32,960
are they benevolent or malevolent

2086
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:36,000
well my opinion is there are

2087
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:40,080
probably as many different agendas

2088
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:43,120
as there are life forms

2089
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:46,560
i mean look at the multitude of

2090
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:47,600
different agendas

2091
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:51,280
just here on this planet with humans

2092
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:54,239
so i think that there are some

2093
01:19:57,430 --> 01:19:55,760
malevolent

2094
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:57,440
if i could say that right my mouth

2095
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:58,960
worked that way i

2096
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:00,800
have difficulties with dual sports too

2097
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:02,800
malevolent and

2098
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:04,400
malevolent i think there are some

2099
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:06,000
malevolent

2100
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,120
um entities out there

2101
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:11,760
i think there are some benevolent you

2102
01:20:15,189 --> 01:20:12,719
know

2103
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:15,199
life forces entities out there i think

2104
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:17,199
they have different agendas

2105
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:27,030
um

2106
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:29,350
as far as trying to contact him i've

2107
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:30,320
never

2108
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:33,920
pensacola beach

2109
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:36,480
with the gulf breeze research team a few

2110
01:20:39,430 --> 01:20:37,120
times

2111
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:39,440
and we sat out on the beach and tried to

2112
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:41,920
call in bubba that's what they called

2113
01:20:46,629 --> 01:20:44,560
uh the ufos that were sighted down in

2114
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:46,639
pensacola beach back in the 90s

2115
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:49,199
and we did have a blue light a little

2116
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,280
round blue light that just like flew

2117
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:53,440
right between me and some other girl and

2118
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:54,800
whizzed around us

2119
01:20:57,910 --> 01:20:57,280
and there were multiple sightings uh

2120
01:21:01,510 --> 01:20:57,920
that were

2121
01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:01,520
videotaped of the weird

2122
01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:04,719
happenings over the water out there

2123
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:07,360
but nothing really ever happened after

2124
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:07,840
that

2125
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:11,120
um i personally don't

2126
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:13,600
want i don't i don't know maybe it's

2127
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:15,360
because i don't need to call them in

2128
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:17,280
uh i've been trying to shoo them off for

2129
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:19,600
the last four years

2130
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:22,080
uh i don't really know why anybody would

2131
01:21:26,629 --> 01:21:23,199
want to do that

2132
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:26,639
but i can't even say that now i mean i'm

2133
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:29,280
curious now i'm being curious to see

2134
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:31,760
if if it could actually be done you know

2135
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:32,480
i would

2136
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:35,600
uh back

2137
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:38,159
back you know 30 years ago if you asked

2138
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:39,440
me that question i'd be like what the

2139
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,800
hell's wrong with you why would you

2140
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:43,120
want to ever do that but now i can kind

2141
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:44,480
of see it you know

2142
01:21:48,149 --> 01:21:47,840
uh i'm curious enough and not as afraid

2143
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:48,159
so

2144
01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:50,800
yeah i probably would would try it i

2145
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:51,520
don't know

2146
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:55,440
whether dr grier's uh the way he does it

2147
01:22:00,149 --> 01:21:58,000
is the right way or the only way

2148
01:22:01,030 --> 01:22:00,159
um i don't really particularly think you

2149
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:01,040
need a whole

2150
01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:05,280
big group of people i think one will do

2151
01:22:11,110 --> 01:22:09,040
so i mean you know

2152
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:11,120
i think it's a matter of opinion uh and

2153
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:13,120
my opinion is i don't really have a need

2154
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:19,350
whatever roger boat right

2155
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:21,679
um so that the next question is from

2156
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:22,880
star brothers says

2157
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:25,120
does zebra think there's a real galactic

2158
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:31,430
i don't know i can't say whether i think

2159
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:32,320
there is or not

2160
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:35,520
um like i might said i'm open-minded and

2161
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:35,920
i

2162
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:39,120
of my own

2163
01:22:44,710 --> 01:22:42,880
things so um i don't know i

2164
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:44,720
i guess anything's possible um

2165
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:51,030
i don't know right so the next one is

2166
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:52,080
from paulina

2167
01:22:57,669 --> 01:22:55,440
can i ask deborah deborah's thoughts

2168
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:57,679
on the belief that the et's could be us

2169
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:59,120
humans from the future

2170
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:01,679
thanks oh yeah that's something i've

2171
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:02,719
thought about

2172
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:06,000
a lot in the last few years

2173
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:08,800
i mean i've seen things that have led me

2174
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:09,520
to feel

2175
01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:19,350
that's perhaps the way it actually is

2176
01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:23,350
it yeah i mean

2177
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:24,880
yeah i as a matter of fact i think

2178
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:26,719
that's makes

2179
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:29,520
them one of the most logical things

2180
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:30,480
sense wise

2181
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:33,040
because i don't you know i feel like the

2182
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,560
things that i've had experience with

2183
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:36,880
didn't particularly come from out there

2184
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:38,639
but maybe were uh from some other

2185
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:40,880
dimension or some other extra you know

2186
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:43,280
another universe or in another dimension

2187
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:45,760
or something or from the future

2188
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:48,159
like i said that thing that i saw in my

2189
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:50,159
mom and dad's backyard that night that

2190
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:50,560
little

2191
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:54,000
egg shake craft even small

2192
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:57,440
six small people couldn't get in that

2193
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:57,840
and

2194
01:24:02,310 --> 01:24:00,880
fly to another universe you know out

2195
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:02,320
here in space

2196
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:05,520
there's no way so what was really what

2197
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:06,880
was that thing

2198
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:10,400
it wasn't a spacecraft as we know it

2199
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:13,280
was it some kind of portal to some other

2200
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:15,600
dimension or was it a time machine

2201
01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:18,239
that came from the future or back i

2202
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:20,159
don't know but yeah i think that's very

2203
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:20,800
possible

2204
01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:23,840
i think it may it's it makes more sense

2205
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:24,880
than some of the other

2206
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:32,310
right um it looks like i had skipped a

2207
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:32,880
question

2208
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:34,639
from pretty previously about i guess

2209
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:36,239
it's never too late to ask it this was

2210
01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:37,520
from tammy asking

2211
01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:40,560
what did the six little little look like

2212
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:42,480
i guess you mentioned it the ones yeah

2213
01:24:46,149 --> 01:24:44,320
you witnessed

2214
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:46,159
yeah well you know it was very difficult

2215
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:48,000
to actually see a lot of detail because

2216
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:49,520
by the time the light

2217
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:53,199
was so bright uh faded and i could see

2218
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:55,760
movement and i could figure there were

2219
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:56,239
six

2220
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:59,199
figures out there i said originally they

2221
01:25:02,870 --> 01:24:59,920
kind of looked

2222
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:02,880
bullish bullet shaped because they were

2223
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:04,560
like their heads were bigger and then

2224
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:06,480
they got real narrow kind of narrowed

2225
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:08,400
down

2226
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:13,510
and they when they moved they didn't

2227
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:14,800
really uh

2228
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:17,920
walk it was more like a slide or a glide

2229
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:19,520
it was very smooth

2230
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:22,560
um but i couldn't see a lot of detail

2231
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:24,960
at the time because my eyes were just

2232
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:27,440
totally blown out and

2233
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:30,239
it was like have you ever gotten your

2234
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:31,120
picture taken

2235
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:34,159
with the old-fashioned flash bulbs and

2236
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:36,800
didn't blink and then you're like i

2237
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:37,440
can't see

2238
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:39,920
anything they're just like white spots

2239
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:40,960
all over your vision

2240
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:44,000
that's the way my eyes were for that

2241
01:25:48,149 --> 01:25:47,040
part of time and um you know like i said

2242
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:48,159
the next morning i woke up they were

2243
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:49,360
swelled shut they were

2244
01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:53,120
blasted but um so but yes i did

2245
01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:55,520
they were small maybe the size maybe the

2246
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:57,360
height of a seven or an eight-year-old

2247
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:58,400
kid

2248
01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:01,280
uh they moved very smoothly in the kind

2249
01:26:05,110 --> 01:26:02,639
of a gliding motion

2250
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:05,120
they had big heads and their bodies were

2251
01:26:08,229 --> 01:26:06,480
small

2252
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,239
and that's pretty much all the detail i

2253
01:26:13,750 --> 01:26:10,320
could give you at that

2254
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:13,760
you know from that okay

2255
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:15,600
yeah for those of you in chat if you

2256
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:17,440
could please put three little stars

2257
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:18,560
before your question

2258
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:20,800
so it pops out at me thankfully you know

2259
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:23,120
um the the chat i have kind of slows

2260
01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:24,719
things down so i can

2261
01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:27,120
kind of still read things that pop out

2262
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:28,480
at me even though it doesn't look like

2263
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:29,760
it is a question

2264
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:31,520
but just to make it easy on me please

2265
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:33,360
just three stars and then your question

2266
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:34,960
that way i know it's a direct question

2267
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:36,000
for um

2268
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:37,120
[Music]

2269
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:40,159
for deb so deb i have nathan on on

2270
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:40,880
telegram

2271
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:42,960
that would like to ask you a question so

2272
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:43,920
nathan

2273
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:45,920
you are unmuted and mute yourself and

2274
01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:48,239
please ask a question

2275
01:26:52,149 --> 01:26:50,320
yes hello deborah uh hello anon thanks

2276
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:52,159
for having me on

2277
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:55,600
hey just hi so i have a question uh

2278
01:26:59,189 --> 01:26:57,360
i'm not sure if you're familiar with

2279
01:27:02,870 --> 01:26:59,199
it's a very popular book uh it's

2280
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:02,880
jack ballet's a book passport to magonia

2281
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:05,760
and uh and then i've heard of it yeah

2282
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:07,199
okay like the premise of it is

2283
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,880
it's and it's very old it's been around

2284
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:10,400
you know for a while but premise of it

2285
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:11,199
is that

2286
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:14,400
um that the et's that we're experiencing

2287
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:15,440
today

2288
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:18,719
are were the same as the the fairies and

2289
01:27:23,189 --> 01:27:19,440
the

2290
01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:23,199
yesteryear

2291
01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:26,239
um graham hancock went into way further

2292
01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:28,719
detail into his book called supernatural

2293
01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:29,360
um

2294
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:32,080
and i was like on on that it's uh that a

2295
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:33,920
lot of these experiences are all very

2296
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:35,840
closely tied together like psychedelic

2297
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:38,000
experiences out of body experiences

2298
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:40,800
um all of them are are all touching on

2299
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:41,679
the same

2300
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:43,040
sort of experience i'm wondering from

2301
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:44,960
your personal experience do you

2302
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:47,600
do you do you feel like that is a

2303
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:49,600
there's a lot of truth to that and

2304
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:51,040
how do you you know what experiences

2305
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:52,719
have you had that that may allude to

2306
01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:59,189
no do you i don't i can't it's hard for

2307
01:28:02,310 --> 01:28:00,639
me to answer that because i

2308
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:02,320
haven't read that book so i don't really

2309
01:28:06,470 --> 01:28:04,159
know fully

2310
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:06,480
um you know what he what he always i

2311
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:08,320
think what he's trying to say is that uh

2312
01:28:12,070 --> 01:28:11,440
uh that because uh it's basically that

2313
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:12,080
it's

2314
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:15,679
of interconnected

2315
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:18,159
is that what you're trying to bury like

2316
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:20,159
even from like the stories that we have

2317
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:21,920
from hundreds of years ago about where

2318
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:23,360
they had they called them fairy rings

2319
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:24,560
back in the day and now they're crop

2320
01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:25,440
circles

2321
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:28,000
um they have uh you know descriptions of

2322
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:28,480
different

2323
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:30,320
fairies and stuff being very nimble

2324
01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:31,840
people and stuff like that

2325
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:33,440
uh i was just wondering if there or and

2326
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,960
then there's also like i said

2327
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:36,719
that jack valet sticks with that but

2328
01:28:40,709 --> 01:28:38,639
basically the nuts and bolts more

2329
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:40,719
uh stuff like that that you can prove

2330
01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:42,480
you know and then but then

2331
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:43,679
graham hancock when his book

2332
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:45,920
supernatural goes into a lot more detail

2333
01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:49,280
and start pulls in uh topics like ndes

2334
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:50,960
near death experiences and

2335
01:28:54,629 --> 01:28:52,880
and stuff and um the out-of-body

2336
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:54,639
experiences i was wondering if any of

2337
01:28:58,229 --> 01:28:56,000
your experiences

2338
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:58,239
would sort of like make it help help us

2339
01:29:03,510 --> 01:28:59,760
confirm that that that is true

2340
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:03,520
like did you do you have any um

2341
01:29:08,629 --> 01:29:07,360
okay yeah i've had okay yeah i had a

2342
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:08,639
thank you for your question nathan

2343
01:29:15,590 --> 01:29:11,840
experience when i gave birth to my son

2344
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:15,600
um so i i can i know about that

2345
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:19,040
and i've also had um a couple of times

2346
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:20,159
when i was

2347
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:22,320
uh i feel like i had an out-of-body

2348
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:23,360
experience one of them

2349
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:25,360
when i was really little like maybe five

2350
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:31,510
and um i feel like uh like i got

2351
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:33,920
involved with the

2352
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:35,679
paranormal because i felt like there was

2353
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:37,040
a connection between

2354
01:29:40,709 --> 01:29:38,480
some of the things people report in

2355
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:40,719
paranormal and a connection between one

2356
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:41,120
thing

2357
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:44,480
people report

2358
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:47,840
during ufo uh experiences or abduction

2359
01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:49,520
experiences

2360
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:51,920
and i felt like you know there was some

2361
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:52,639
connection

2362
01:29:55,750 --> 01:29:55,120
some bigger picture that i'm not seeing

2363
01:29:57,669 --> 01:29:55,760
you know

2364
01:29:59,430 --> 01:29:57,679
that connects everything and look at my

2365
01:30:02,550 --> 01:29:59,440
family and our our

2366
01:30:05,590 --> 01:30:02,560
we've not just had the ufo and uh

2367
01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:05,600
alien like experience but also

2368
01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:08,800
the out-of-body the um

2369
01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:12,080
the uh near-death experience for myself

2370
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:15,280
and uh all kinds of weird paranormal

2371
01:30:20,310 --> 01:30:15,840
things

2372
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:20,320
i was a kid i was

2373
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:23,280
polishing the brass handles on my mom's

2374
01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:24,159
um

2375
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:26,320
you know cabinets in her kitchen and

2376
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:28,080
they started to bend in my hand

2377
01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:29,600
you know and i didn't even i wasn't even

2378
01:30:34,070 --> 01:30:31,360
doing anything to him or and

2379
01:30:34,950 --> 01:30:34,080
when my sister tried to bend him back

2380
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:34,960
she couldn't

2381
01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:39,280
didn't even know how i did it of course

2382
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:41,440
i got in trouble

2383
01:30:44,470 --> 01:30:42,719
so i mean there's just all kinds of

2384
01:30:47,669 --> 01:30:44,480
weird stuff like that i think it's all

2385
01:30:51,669 --> 01:30:47,679
connected and i agree with that

2386
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:51,679
i don't think that you know there's

2387
01:30:55,110 --> 01:30:54,480
i think that there's a grain of truth in

2388
01:30:58,470 --> 01:30:55,120
all the

2389
01:31:02,390 --> 01:30:58,480
fables and um

2390
01:31:03,669 --> 01:31:02,400
all the things that people uh reported

2391
01:31:06,870 --> 01:31:03,679
over the years

2392
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,910
uh

2393
01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:12,550
you know even way back like you know

2394
01:31:17,189 --> 01:31:14,320
leprechauns and

2395
01:31:18,870 --> 01:31:17,199
uh things like that people have said

2396
01:31:24,070 --> 01:31:18,880
seen

2397
01:31:25,910 --> 01:31:24,080
i think that they're um

2398
01:31:27,669 --> 01:31:25,920
they're seeing things through their eyes

2399
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:27,679
in their their

2400
01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:30,159
their society you know and that's how

2401
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:31,440
they describe it but i mean

2402
01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:32,960
i think there's a grain of truth in all

2403
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:35,199
those uh little

2404
01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:38,400
um stories that we think are myths and

2405
01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:39,520
things

2406
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:42,639
uh i think there's some something

2407
01:31:48,709 --> 01:31:47,040
true with them and that they uh

2408
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:48,719
sorry i'm being distracted now people

2409
01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:52,080
are blowing my phone up in this weather

2410
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:54,960
oh no i mean i hope you understand what

2411
01:31:58,870 --> 01:31:56,560
i was trying to say and i have had a

2412
01:32:01,990 --> 01:31:58,880
near that experience

2413
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:02,000
which impacted me deeply

2414
01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:05,280
so right okay

2415
01:32:10,870 --> 01:32:08,320
um sorry i'm also

2416
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:10,880
multitasking and typing with an arm one

2417
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:12,960
arm and all kinds of crazy stuff going

2418
01:32:16,550 --> 01:32:13,679
on so

2419
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:16,560
in a good way in a good way um maybe i

2420
01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:17,280
need to

2421
01:32:20,310 --> 01:32:19,360
get my younger son to get more

2422
01:32:22,149 --> 01:32:20,320
interesting in

2423
01:32:24,830 --> 01:32:22,159
technology in this way so i can make him

2424
01:32:31,030 --> 01:32:24,840
my assistant or something

2425
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:34,229
michael uh jay schumann is asking uh deb

2426
01:32:39,270 --> 01:32:36,639
of the paranormal experiences you've had

2427
01:32:40,709 --> 01:32:39,280
uh were they ghostly apparitions and or

2428
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:40,719
poltergeist activity

2429
01:32:45,669 --> 01:32:43,199
how many times or how often did this

2430
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:48,390
shortly after the june 3083 incident it

2431
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:48,960
really

2432
01:32:54,629 --> 01:32:52,560
kicked up several notches

2433
01:32:56,149 --> 01:32:54,639
at my mom's house and so much so we

2434
01:32:57,189 --> 01:32:56,159
thought mom's house was haunted but then

2435
01:32:59,590 --> 01:32:57,199
when we all

2436
01:33:00,950 --> 01:32:59,600
moved away and things still happened in

2437
01:33:02,870 --> 01:33:00,960
our places we realized it wasn't the

2438
01:33:07,590 --> 01:33:02,880
house it was haunted it was us

2439
01:33:10,629 --> 01:33:07,600
um haunted is a silly word but um

2440
01:33:13,990 --> 01:33:10,639
i recorded evps in my house

2441
01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:14,000
uh you know after i moved out i

2442
01:33:18,149 --> 01:33:16,960
uh we my mom my sister and i were

2443
01:33:19,110 --> 01:33:18,159
sitting at the kitchen table one

2444
01:33:21,830 --> 01:33:19,120
afternoon

2445
01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:21,840
we all smoked at the time and had big

2446
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:23,760
that big heavy amber glass ash tray

2447
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:25,120
sitting in the middle of the kitchen

2448
01:33:27,189 --> 01:33:25,760
table

2449
01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:27,199
and as i reached over to flip my

2450
01:33:32,709 --> 01:33:29,120
cigarette in it that ashtray

2451
01:33:34,629 --> 01:33:32,719
snapped in half with the loud thump

2452
01:33:36,310 --> 01:33:34,639
and one side slid to one end of the

2453
01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:36,320
table once i said to the other and all

2454
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:37,760
the cigarette butts and ashes

2455
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:40,320
stayed in the middle of the table and my

2456
01:33:45,990 --> 01:33:42,880
mom's first reaction was oh my god

2457
01:33:48,950 --> 01:33:46,000
that ashtray was expensive and

2458
01:33:50,550 --> 01:33:48,960
my older sister my older sister was like

2459
01:33:52,870 --> 01:33:50,560
i'm out of here see you

2460
01:33:55,750 --> 01:33:52,880
and she got up and left and i'm like

2461
01:33:58,310 --> 01:33:55,760
that is so cool did i do that

2462
01:33:58,950 --> 01:33:58,320
i mean but uh to me and mom was sitting

2463
01:34:01,030 --> 01:33:58,960
down

2464
01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:01,040
in the this was the tri level so she was

2465
01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:04,080
down in the lower part watching tv

2466
01:34:09,990 --> 01:34:07,520
there are two swag lamps there and uh

2467
01:34:11,110 --> 01:34:10,000
just as she after she got up to go

2468
01:34:12,870 --> 01:34:11,120
upstairs

2469
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:12,880
the light bulb in one of those swag

2470
01:34:16,149 --> 01:34:14,400
lamps shattered

2471
01:34:18,470 --> 01:34:16,159
dropped down she said her eyes were

2472
01:34:22,070 --> 01:34:18,480
right on it all the glass dropped down

2473
01:34:24,390 --> 01:34:22,080
right below the opening of the swag

2474
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:24,400
and shot across the couch where she had

2475
01:34:27,910 --> 01:34:25,520
just gotten up

2476
01:34:28,950 --> 01:34:27,920
just that one light bulb the one time my

2477
01:34:31,430 --> 01:34:28,960
mom my sis

2478
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:31,440
my mom myself and my two kids were in

2479
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:33,600
the living room watching television

2480
01:34:37,430 --> 01:34:36,719
and all of a sudden uh there was this

2481
01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:37,440
immense

2482
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:40,480
green flash in the living room and

2483
01:34:46,629 --> 01:34:43,600
i looked up and as i looked up

2484
01:34:47,510 --> 01:34:46,639
i saw about this far away from my mom's

2485
01:34:50,229 --> 01:34:47,520
head

2486
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:50,239
this intense green ball of light at the

2487
01:34:52,709 --> 01:34:50,880
time

2488
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:52,719
i looked up and the whole room was

2489
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:55,199
filled with green the television turned

2490
01:35:00,950 --> 01:34:56,159
off

2491
01:35:03,270 --> 01:35:00,960
the phone rang and uh

2492
01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:03,280
i saw my mom and my kids were all like

2493
01:35:08,149 --> 01:35:04,480
this

2494
01:35:11,350 --> 01:35:08,159
and i happened to look up i mean

2495
01:35:12,950 --> 01:35:11,360
what is that you know what is that even

2496
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:12,960
and it was just an incandescent light

2497
01:35:16,629 --> 01:35:14,159
bulb there wasn't anything

2498
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:16,639
special about it and the light bulb in

2499
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:18,239
the lamp shattered

2500
01:35:23,590 --> 01:35:22,080
but the green ball of light

2501
01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:23,600
was in the middle of the room more

2502
01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:25,119
wasn't near the lamp

2503
01:35:28,870 --> 01:35:26,960
it was closer actually to my mom's head

2504
01:35:32,470 --> 01:35:28,880
than it was the lamp

2505
01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:32,480
um we've uh been i've been in the room

2506
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:35,440
i've been in the house there where um

2507
01:35:38,149 --> 01:35:37,360
the stereo would start turning on and

2508
01:35:42,149 --> 01:35:38,159
off by itself

2509
01:35:43,750 --> 01:35:42,159
hear

2510
01:35:45,590 --> 01:35:43,760
little footsteps like two or three

2511
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:45,600
little kids running through the upstairs

2512
01:35:47,669 --> 01:35:47,280
part while you're down folding laundry

2513
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:47,679
all

2514
01:35:51,910 --> 01:35:49,920
and you know you're in the house alone

2515
01:35:53,750 --> 01:35:51,920
uh one time there was a

2516
01:35:55,590 --> 01:35:53,760
copper pipe that was running through the

2517
01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:55,600
rafters in the basement and it wasn't

2518
01:35:59,430 --> 01:35:57,040
connected to anything but it was

2519
01:36:01,430 --> 01:35:59,440
up there daddy just left it up in this

2520
01:36:04,149 --> 01:36:01,440
copper pipe was tied in a knot

2521
01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:04,159
one day when we went down there one time

2522
01:36:07,350 --> 01:36:05,920
my sister and her boyfriend were down

2523
01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:07,360
there making out in the basement where

2524
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:08,639
the pool table was

2525
01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:10,560
and there was this tin there was like a

2526
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:12,159
metal cabinet

2527
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:14,480
the doors didn't stay closed so my dad

2528
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:16,560
had like a coat hanger wire wrapped

2529
01:36:20,470 --> 01:36:17,360
around him

2530
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:20,480
to hold the doors closed and while

2531
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:21,920
sherry and her boyfriend were down there

2532
01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:23,199
making out

2533
01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:27,520
this door somehow unwrapped the wire and

2534
01:36:32,149 --> 01:36:30,639
burst open scared the hell out of them

2535
01:36:33,189 --> 01:36:32,159
they came running upstairs screaming

2536
01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:33,199
bloody murder

2537
01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:35,920
so that's the kind of stuff that went on

2538
01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:36,639
in that house

2539
01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:39,600
on a daily basis sometimes for weeks at

2540
01:36:44,149 --> 01:36:42,239
a time then it would fade a little bit

2541
01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:44,159
get calm and then it would start back up

2542
01:36:46,550 --> 01:36:46,000
again and that's the way it's been my

2543
01:36:49,750 --> 01:36:46,560
whole life

2544
01:36:56,550 --> 01:36:52,950
well it does quite something so um

2545
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:56,560
crazy stuff right uh

2546
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:59,040
uh mortimer james is asking if debbie

2547
01:37:01,590 --> 01:37:00,960
could change her past and have no

2548
01:37:04,629 --> 01:37:01,600
contact

2549
01:37:06,950 --> 01:37:04,639
would she no

2550
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:06,960
and i'll tell you why as crazy as it

2551
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:07,760
sounds

2552
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:09,520
you know the way life has been and as

2553
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:10,880
dramatic as it been

2554
01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:12,480
every single thing that i've been

2555
01:37:19,830 --> 01:37:16,639
through from as my earliest memories

2556
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:19,840
everything not just the ufo experiences

2557
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:21,520
or paranormal experiences but all the

2558
01:37:26,709 --> 01:37:23,360
traumatic things in my life

2559
01:37:30,550 --> 01:37:26,719
have all made me

2560
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:30,560
who i am now and i feel have

2561
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:34,560
contributed to elevating me

2562
01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:38,320
in a spiritual and intellectual way

2563
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:40,639
uh for one thing had i not had all these

2564
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:42,320
crazy experiences i would have never met

2565
01:37:46,870 --> 01:37:43,600
bud hopkins

2566
01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:46,880
and had i not met him there is

2567
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:49,760
nothing about my life today that would

2568
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:51,600
be

2569
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:54,239
even remotely recognizable i wouldn't

2570
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:55,040
have

2571
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:57,040
moved to where i lived now i wouldn't

2572
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:58,480
have met my late husband

2573
01:38:01,750 --> 01:38:00,400
wouldn't have met my current husband

2574
01:38:02,470 --> 01:38:01,760
wouldn't have had any of the jobs i've

2575
01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:02,480
had

2576
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:04,159
my kids wouldn't have been in the

2577
01:38:07,350 --> 01:38:05,679
schools where they were they would have

2578
01:38:08,709 --> 01:38:07,360
met their spouse i wouldn't have my

2579
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:08,719
granddaughter i mean there is absolutely

2580
01:38:13,669 --> 01:38:09,520
nothing

2581
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:13,679
about my life that would be uh um

2582
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:16,080
even remotely recognizable and i like my

2583
01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:16,800
life

2584
01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:19,520
that i worked hard for you know and i

2585
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:21,199
like where i am

2586
01:38:27,030 --> 01:38:24,960
uh at emotionally and spiritually

2587
01:38:29,109 --> 01:38:27,040
right now i i mean i have room to grow

2588
01:38:31,189 --> 01:38:29,119
don't don't get me wrong i'll be growing

2589
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:31,199
and changing until the day i check out

2590
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:34,960
but and so no had i not had the life

2591
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:35,840
that i've had

2592
01:38:39,270 --> 01:38:37,840
i wouldn't have the life i have now so

2593
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:39,280
no i would not change it for a second

2594
01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:40,239
there i thought

2595
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:42,960
you i misunderstood that when you first

2596
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:44,400
said no meaning like

2597
01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:46,000
no you wouldn't have those experiences

2598
01:38:51,510 --> 01:38:48,159
but then the more you explain it

2599
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:51,520
i get it got it um so uh nathan had

2600
01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:52,800
another question

2601
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:55,040
and uh for those sir that would like to

2602
01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:57,360
talk to you to deb simply get a download

2603
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:58,080
telegram

2604
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:00,960
i'll log into the to the ufo hub group

2605
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,560
you'll see the voice chat there

2606
01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:04,800
and uh you can ask the question yourself

2607
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:07,119
otherwise uh you can just also log into

2608
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:08,639
telegram just to

2609
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:10,960
to listen only when you raise your hand

2610
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:13,040
there's a button that says

2611
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:15,600
tap to to speak that's when i'll know

2612
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:17,440
that you're interested otherwise i know

2613
01:39:21,669 --> 01:39:19,679
you're just there to use your phone to

2614
01:39:25,030 --> 01:39:21,679
listen to this conversation right now

2615
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:25,040
so uh via nathan you are unmuted and

2616
01:39:28,470 --> 01:39:26,400
please go ahead and mute yourself and

2617
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:28,480
ask a question again

2618
01:39:32,229 --> 01:39:30,719
uh yes hi i had a couple questions

2619
01:39:33,510 --> 01:39:32,239
actually but the first one

2620
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:33,520
actually goes right into what you were

2621
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:36,080
just saying i was curious

2622
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:38,400
um did you feel during all this whole

2623
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:39,119
process

2624
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:41,360
that you were being guided or had a

2625
01:39:43,990 --> 01:39:42,400
guide or

2626
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:44,000
like you felt like you had a higher

2627
01:39:47,189 --> 01:39:45,520
purpose to serve

2628
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:47,199
and you just like weren't comfortable

2629
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:48,960
unless you were pursuing that higher

2630
01:39:52,830 --> 01:39:50,080
purpose that

2631
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:52,840
that passion or in the guide that

2632
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:55,040
question

2633
01:40:01,990 --> 01:39:58,560
um you know

2634
01:40:04,310 --> 01:40:02,000
when i first became more aware of things

2635
01:40:06,830 --> 01:40:04,320
when i was younger in my 20s i had a lot

2636
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:06,840
of fear and anxiety

2637
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:09,840
um but as i got older i

2638
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:11,840
am became more aware yeah i did feel as

2639
01:40:16,310 --> 01:40:13,440
though i have

2640
01:40:18,070 --> 01:40:16,320
a purpose and uh have been guided

2641
01:40:19,669 --> 01:40:18,080
there's been many times in my life when

2642
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:19,679
i've gone and done things that i would

2643
01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:21,360
not normally do but

2644
01:40:24,550 --> 01:40:23,840
it was i there was it was a compulsion

2645
01:40:27,669 --> 01:40:24,560
to do

2646
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:27,679
this that i couldn't fight um as if i

2647
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:28,400
was being

2648
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:30,400
pushed in that direction or led in that

2649
01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:32,239
direction who pushed to go

2650
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:34,960
do this or or go speak there i didn't

2651
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:36,880
really want to go and speak there but i

2652
01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:37,600
did because

2653
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:39,520
maybe there was someone there who needed

2654
01:40:44,310 --> 01:40:41,920
to hear something i was saying

2655
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:44,320
and that was my purpose and so i started

2656
01:40:48,550 --> 01:40:45,600
to realize it

2657
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:48,560
and recognize it more as i got older and

2658
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:50,960
i started to pay attention and listen

2659
01:40:55,109 --> 01:40:53,440
and follow it and i learned that if i

2660
01:40:58,790 --> 01:40:55,119
followed it and trusted it

2661
01:41:01,910 --> 01:40:58,800
it would never lead me wrong and

2662
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:01,920
you know my felt like my purpose now is

2663
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:03,600
to help people

2664
01:41:10,470 --> 01:41:08,719
wake up to realize there's more to life

2665
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:10,480
than what your little blinders let you

2666
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:12,719
see going all around you

2667
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:15,280
i feel like i sometimes i call myself

2668
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:15,840
the

2669
01:41:21,510 --> 01:41:19,520
johnny appleseed where i may

2670
01:41:23,109 --> 01:41:21,520
only plant a little seed in somebody's

2671
01:41:25,030 --> 01:41:23,119
mind but but

2672
01:41:26,629 --> 01:41:25,040
it'll take off and grow and send them on

2673
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:26,639
their journey you know

2674
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:29,440
um because i feel like we're all

2675
01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:31,679
connected

2676
01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:33,920
i do feel as though i've been protected

2677
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:36,159
there's been times when i feel as if

2678
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:38,639
um i've dodged a bullet there's been

2679
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:40,719
several times in my life when i should

2680
01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:44,000
have been dead literally

2681
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:46,239
tornado was one of them how many people

2682
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:48,480
do you know crawl out from under a house

2683
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:52,719
with not a scratch on them you know um

2684
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:55,440
so i do and i have felt like i've had

2685
01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:56,639
some protection

2686
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:59,119
along the way some help along the way

2687
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:00,800
yeah definitely

2688
01:42:06,149 --> 01:42:04,239
i feel like i have some better calling

2689
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:06,159
oh yes yes that very much answered my

2690
01:42:08,629 --> 01:42:07,920
question thank you very much i i think i

2691
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:08,639
feel the same

2692
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:09,840
i'm sure there's a lot of people in this

2693
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:11,440
community that that do feel like that

2694
01:42:15,430 --> 01:42:12,320
like they were

2695
01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:15,440
being pushed yes towards us there are

2696
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:18,560
thousands of us hundreds of thousands of

2697
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:18,800
us

2698
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:25,520
okay thank you nathan i appreciate it

2699
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:29,119
well just okay oh i cut him off i want

2700
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:30,960
to get to dudley dudley raise his hand

2701
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:31,840
earlier

2702
01:42:41,669 --> 01:42:33,760
uh dudley you're unmuted and please go

2703
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:43,669
you might have to press on the unmute

2704
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:53,030
hello yes

2705
01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:56,870
hi can you hear me yes

2706
01:43:04,470 --> 01:42:59,920
um first question um

2707
01:43:07,750 --> 01:43:04,480
uh have you heard of sleep paralysis

2708
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:07,760
sleep paralysis yes i've heard of it

2709
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:09,760
you know i think that's a plausible

2710
01:43:14,770 --> 01:43:13,199
explanation for some things

2711
01:43:16,310 --> 01:43:14,780
okay um

2712
01:43:19,270 --> 01:43:16,320
[Music]

2713
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:19,280
the reason why i asked is because i've

2714
01:43:24,149 --> 01:43:19,920
had

2715
01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:24,159
similar altercations like you

2716
01:43:30,149 --> 01:43:28,480
um where i was either sitting down

2717
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:30,159
hanging out with some friends playing

2718
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:32,320
cards could be doing anything

2719
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:35,360
and then all of a sudden like i get a

2720
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:37,280
weird taste in my mouth

2721
01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:41,840
like like a metallic taste um

2722
01:43:47,350 --> 01:43:45,440
i'll hear and feel like a vibrate

2723
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:47,360
like a vibrating feeling and like a

2724
01:43:51,430 --> 01:43:49,040
buzzing

2725
01:43:52,229 --> 01:43:51,440
um then all of a sudden i won't be able

2726
01:43:55,830 --> 01:43:52,239
to move

2727
01:43:59,109 --> 01:43:55,840
or scream or talk or do anything

2728
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:59,119
um usually when that happens one time

2729
01:44:03,590 --> 01:44:00,239
when it did happen

2730
01:44:06,310 --> 01:44:03,600
um i seen a black hole up here in my

2731
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:06,320
ceiling which i find weird and

2732
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:07,920
i didn't know what to do i had the

2733
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:10,560
feeling of terror

2734
01:44:18,629 --> 01:44:14,320
so yeah um have you ever felt that the

2735
01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:22,310
um just to uh um add on to that

2736
01:44:29,109 --> 01:44:25,840
um basically uh when it happened

2737
01:44:31,030 --> 01:44:29,119
i called the name of jesus i just kept

2738
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:31,040
on saying jesus jesus jesus

2739
01:44:36,149 --> 01:44:33,760
and whenever and then as soon as i said

2740
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:36,159
jesus i felt like a

2741
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:40,000
like a feeling of relief and um

2742
01:44:45,910 --> 01:44:43,440
it went away and another altercation

2743
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:45,920
oh i have a couple so i don't know how

2744
01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:47,440
much time we

2745
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:49,280
actually have well dudley this is just

2746
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:51,040
mainly to to ask her

2747
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:54,320
to ask her a question um but yeah no

2748
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:56,400
definitely for like on wednesdays yeah

2749
01:44:59,990 --> 01:44:57,920
pretty much the question

2750
01:45:01,350 --> 01:45:00,000
um i just wanted to pretty much just

2751
01:45:04,950 --> 01:45:01,360
compare

2752
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:04,960
my experiences with hers and basically

2753
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:09,600
get a read of of her experience

2754
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:11,440
so i can pretty much figure out what the

2755
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:13,520
hell happened to me

2756
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:15,360
so the first one was about the metallic

2757
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:18,000
taste and second one regarding if she

2758
01:45:22,070 --> 01:45:20,239
also had a similar experience for a you

2759
01:45:23,750 --> 01:45:22,080
said a black hole

2760
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:23,760
sort of appeared above your head is that

2761
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:25,679
what you said and also

2762
01:45:29,430 --> 01:45:28,320
yes in another incident where the same

2763
01:45:31,750 --> 01:45:29,440
thing happened

2764
01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:31,760
where i felt the numb feeling i couldn't

2765
01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:34,400
move [\h__\h] scream couldn't talk

2766
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:37,760
then next thing you know like i see

2767
01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:39,840
this next thing you know i'm like

2768
01:45:42,830 --> 01:45:42,159
literally out of my body which is really

2769
01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:42,840
weird

2770
01:45:49,030 --> 01:45:46,159
um i know my body's to the left of me

2771
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:49,040
and i'm scared to look at my body

2772
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:51,920
but i know i see my body i'm gonna freak

2773
01:45:57,109 --> 01:45:54,639
out so i try not to look at it

2774
01:45:58,550 --> 01:45:57,119
but i've always had lucid situations

2775
01:46:00,950 --> 01:45:58,560
like this so

2776
01:46:02,470 --> 01:46:00,960
i was kind of trained not to be scared

2777
01:46:04,229 --> 01:46:02,480
but in some ways i

2778
01:46:06,790 --> 01:46:04,239
i will always be scared which is kind of

2779
01:46:08,790 --> 01:46:06,800
weird so i look out the window

2780
01:46:10,390 --> 01:46:08,800
and i see this cat in the distance which

2781
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:10,400
is you know

2782
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:12,800
it's just a cat and i'm lucid and i know

2783
01:46:17,030 --> 01:46:14,800
that i'm lucid

2784
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:17,040
and i look at the cat the cat sees me

2785
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:18,719
and it starts walking towards me

2786
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:20,880
as it grows walks towards me it grows in

2787
01:46:24,149 --> 01:46:22,080
size

2788
01:46:27,109 --> 01:46:24,159
and it gets bigger and bigger and bigger

2789
01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:27,119
then it transforms from a cat

2790
01:46:34,310 --> 01:46:30,560
to a half cat half human being

2791
01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:34,320
and i lunged at it i don't know what

2792
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:36,800
my instincts made me lunge at it but i

2793
01:46:41,430 --> 01:46:39,280
lunged at it and when i grabbed it

2794
01:46:43,990 --> 01:46:41,440
i was paralyzed instantly i couldn't

2795
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:44,000
move i couldn't scream i couldn't yell

2796
01:46:48,390 --> 01:46:47,600
so all i did was just think the name of

2797
01:46:51,030 --> 01:46:48,400
jesus

2798
01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:51,040
and then i i kept on thinking it and

2799
01:46:53,350 --> 01:46:51,520
then

2800
01:46:56,550 --> 01:46:53,360
i tried to speak and the more i thought

2801
01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:56,560
the name jesus the stronger i grew

2802
01:47:00,470 --> 01:46:58,239
and i was able to actually speak his

2803
01:47:03,669 --> 01:47:00,480
name and when i spoke his name

2804
01:47:07,510 --> 01:47:03,679
it screamed and yelled

2805
01:47:09,189 --> 01:47:07,520
it it it was a weird situation so have

2806
01:47:12,470 --> 01:47:09,199
you ever

2807
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:12,480
experienced anything like that and um

2808
01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:13,920
have you ever thought about calling the

2809
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:15,920
name of jesus when you

2810
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:18,880
experienced your experience dudley thank

2811
01:47:21,669 --> 01:47:19,600
you for that

2812
01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:21,679
uh just real quick deb uh please do call

2813
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:23,440
in on wednesdays when i have open lines

2814
01:47:25,910 --> 01:47:24,000
and

2815
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:25,920
love to talk to you some more but at

2816
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:27,679
least thank you for sharing so far what

2817
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:28,320
you have

2818
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:29,600
so i'm going to meet you again and thank

2819
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:34,950
well i've definitely felt that terror i

2820
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:36,560
know what that feels like

2821
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:39,600
for sure multiple times um

2822
01:47:42,629 --> 01:47:41,520
i don't know that i particularly called

2823
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:42,639
out

2824
01:47:49,109 --> 01:47:45,840
the name of jesus other than to

2825
01:47:52,470 --> 01:47:49,119
you know to you know to say holy

2826
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:52,480
jesus you know but not not

2827
01:47:58,950 --> 01:47:56,239
in a um direct way like that

2828
01:47:59,830 --> 01:47:58,960
um but i do recognize i do understand

2829
01:48:02,950 --> 01:47:59,840
that terror

2830
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:02,960
definitely um i've i don't have any

2831
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:04,000
experiences like

2832
01:48:08,310 --> 01:48:06,800
the the whole and things the other

2833
01:48:10,629 --> 01:48:08,320
things i've

2834
01:48:13,030 --> 01:48:10,639
just because i don't don't have them

2835
01:48:16,229 --> 01:48:13,040
that doesn't mean much

2836
01:48:17,990 --> 01:48:16,239
i do um i do know uh i

2837
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:18,000
do know a little bit about sleep

2838
01:48:22,149 --> 01:48:19,840
paralysis and it's my understanding that

2839
01:48:25,510 --> 01:48:22,159
sleep paralysis happens when you're

2840
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:25,520
uh in bed about ready to fall asleep or

2841
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:26,000
about

2842
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:30,400
necessarily know that it happens

2843
01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:32,560
you know while you're awake and sitting

2844
01:48:37,030 --> 01:48:34,480
up in a chair with friends so i'm i'm

2845
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:37,040
not sure about that

2846
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:39,920
i do think sleep paralysis can explain

2847
01:48:43,270 --> 01:48:40,400
some

2848
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:43,280
things people report i don't question

2849
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:44,000
that at all

2850
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:47,119
and but that doesn't that's not the

2851
01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:48,800
answer for everything

2852
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:52,000
i'm here to tell you um

2853
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:53,760
i think it's an easy thing for people to

2854
01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:55,440
just kind of lump it all in one

2855
01:48:59,189 --> 01:48:57,199
you know pile so they don't have to deal

2856
01:49:01,590 --> 01:48:59,199
with it but that's not correct

2857
01:49:03,430 --> 01:49:01,600
and um so but yeah i do understand the

2858
01:49:07,109 --> 01:49:03,440
fear and i do understand that terror

2859
01:49:10,149 --> 01:49:07,119
it is very hard to live with and

2860
01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:10,159
i mean if if calling out for

2861
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:12,639
protection from jesus helps then by all

2862
01:49:17,589 --> 01:49:14,159
means continue to do it

2863
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:17,599
um you know i like i said i i don't

2864
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:20,400
um i do recognize some of those things

2865
01:49:22,390 --> 01:49:20,800
but

2866
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:22,400
there's plenty of people out there with

2867
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:23,760
all kinds of stories and i'm sure

2868
01:49:25,589 --> 01:49:25,199
there's lots of other people out there

2869
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:25,599
who've

2870
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:28,560
had experiences similar to yours so it's

2871
01:49:31,270 --> 01:49:30,000
good that you talk about them and you

2872
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:31,280
want to share them i think that's a

2873
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:33,920
healthy thing to do

2874
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:36,080
yeah dev on on wednesdays um they

2875
01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:37,440
usually have open lines

2876
01:49:41,830 --> 01:49:39,520
and usually using telegram people will

2877
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:41,840
call in and simply share their stories

2878
01:49:44,390 --> 01:49:43,360
and i kind of treat it like you're

2879
01:49:47,830 --> 01:49:44,400
online hanging out

2880
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:47,840
because i know usually you i would go in

2881
01:49:51,109 --> 01:49:50,400
in in person to meet and all these other

2882
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:51,119
things but

2883
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:53,199
with all the different restrictions you

2884
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:55,199
know and just generally where i live

2885
01:49:57,430 --> 01:49:56,960
it's very difficult for me to do that no

2886
01:49:59,109 --> 01:49:57,440
matter

2887
01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:59,119
what's going on out there in the world

2888
01:50:02,070 --> 01:50:01,040
so i thought just to open that up and to

2889
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:02,080
kind of do this on an

2890
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:04,800
open uh world stage so to say and so

2891
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:05,760
yeah on wednesdays

2892
01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:08,000
at seven uh do open lines all the time

2893
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:10,320
so i hope i hope that uh dudley would

2894
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:13,360
would um call in and and share his uh

2895
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:15,040
share his stories then last past

2896
01:50:17,830 --> 01:50:16,560
wednesday i was so busy i had a lot of

2897
01:50:21,189 --> 01:50:17,840
stuff going on that i

2898
01:50:24,390 --> 01:50:21,199
had to skip and um so today was the

2899
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:24,400
first time back this week for me but the

2900
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:25,280
other question

2901
01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:27,520
um actually want to ask you are you good

2902
01:50:30,550 --> 01:50:28,800
with more questions or

2903
01:50:32,229 --> 01:50:30,560
what do you what do you feel like i'm

2904
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:32,239
fine are you good i'm fine

2905
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:34,159
and the story yeah just if i if i'm if

2906
01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:36,000
i've asked too much of your time please

2907
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:38,800
uh please do tell me okay no you know i

2908
01:51:25,589 --> 01:50:39,119
i

2909
01:51:29,669 --> 01:51:25,599
um

2910
01:51:31,109 --> 01:51:29,679
i'm taught early on in it that orbs are

2911
01:51:33,750 --> 01:51:31,119
dust or moisture or

2912
01:51:34,149 --> 01:51:33,760
pollen or bugs or whatever and i think

2913
01:51:37,589 --> 01:51:34,159
in

2914
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:37,599
probably some cases that is true

2915
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:40,560
but having said that and having been out

2916
01:51:44,149 --> 01:51:42,320
on investigations and having had these

2917
01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:44,159
things come in my house

2918
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:47,440
out of the blue i do feel that some orbs

2919
01:51:52,070 --> 01:51:49,360
are actually

2920
01:51:52,870 --> 01:51:52,080
something other than dust or moisture or

2921
01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:52,880
pollen

2922
01:51:58,229 --> 01:51:56,080
um i actually have a photograph

2923
01:52:00,310 --> 01:51:58,239
of an orb that i took i have two

2924
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:00,320
photographs one was a picture

2925
01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:02,480
i took in my mom and dad's living room

2926
01:52:05,189 --> 01:52:04,159
and another one was a i can't even

2927
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:05,199
remember where the

2928
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:08,239
the other one was but uh so i think

2929
01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:10,880
and these orbs definitely were different

2930
01:52:14,550 --> 01:52:11,520
um

2931
01:52:17,669 --> 01:52:14,560
in in one of them you can actually see a

2932
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:17,679
face of uh what looks like a gray

2933
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:20,159
alien head it's pretty clear it's not

2934
01:52:25,270 --> 01:52:21,040
that

2935
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:25,280
like cloud watching i can't remember

2936
01:52:29,910 --> 01:52:26,480
that word but

2937
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:29,920
um so much so that i mean i show it when

2938
01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:31,520
i give talks and

2939
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:34,960
uh i do believe that some orbs

2940
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:38,960
that people see are i maybe spirits

2941
01:52:44,229 --> 01:52:42,000
uh of people that were here uh at one

2942
01:52:46,470 --> 01:52:44,239
time i think sometimes they're

2943
01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:46,480
um some other kind of energetic life

2944
01:52:51,189 --> 01:52:48,400
form that never really lived here and

2945
01:52:52,070 --> 01:52:51,199
that's i think there's life forms out

2946
01:52:54,870 --> 01:52:52,080
there

2947
01:52:55,910 --> 01:52:54,880
out and that live right here with us

2948
01:52:59,430 --> 01:52:55,920
that are

2949
01:53:00,709 --> 01:52:59,440
energy and um i think sometimes we can

2950
01:53:02,149 --> 01:53:00,719
see them and i think that's what some of

2951
01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:02,159
those orbs are

2952
01:53:07,910 --> 01:53:05,360
so i mean but that's just my opinion

2953
01:53:09,350 --> 01:53:07,920
okay thank you for that uh so the next

2954
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:09,360
one is from fab 22

2955
01:53:15,910 --> 01:53:13,360
says i don't um

2956
01:53:18,629 --> 01:53:15,920
i'd like to know your views on on mantis

2957
01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:18,639
in all interactions i had the mantis are

2958
01:53:22,470 --> 01:53:21,360
the most mind control fear induced yet

2959
01:53:25,830 --> 01:53:22,480
everyone's

2960
01:53:28,310 --> 01:53:25,840
says they they are okay and benevolent

2961
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:28,320
et cetera

2962
01:53:32,470 --> 01:53:30,000
i really don't have a lot of knowledge

2963
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:32,480
about them because i've never

2964
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:36,000
as i recall interacted with that type

2965
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:39,040
my sister however has and

2966
01:53:45,589 --> 01:53:42,080
um but her

2967
01:53:49,750 --> 01:53:45,599
i don't think she um felt that it was

2968
01:53:51,270 --> 01:53:49,760
any particularly threatening um

2969
01:53:52,550 --> 01:53:51,280
so i but i really can't answer that

2970
01:53:54,790 --> 01:53:52,560
question very well because i don't

2971
01:53:58,709 --> 01:53:54,800
really know much about them

2972
01:53:59,750 --> 01:53:58,719
so okay sorry uh the next question is

2973
01:54:02,070 --> 01:53:59,760
from star brother

2974
01:54:04,470 --> 01:54:02,080
uh did deborah say she had some evp

2975
01:54:08,629 --> 01:54:04,480
session experiences

2976
01:54:09,109 --> 01:54:08,639
oh yeah evps are my favorite i started

2977
01:54:11,669 --> 01:54:09,119
to

2978
01:54:13,589 --> 01:54:11,679
become fascinated with them 30 years ago

2979
01:54:16,149 --> 01:54:13,599
and i did an experiment with my

2980
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:16,159
nephew in my kitchen one day and we

2981
01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:16,800
recorded

2982
01:54:22,709 --> 01:54:20,320
a couple of spectacularly clear evps one

2983
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:22,719
was of an old man and he said

2984
01:54:25,830 --> 01:54:24,800
are the spirits listening and right

2985
01:54:27,990 --> 01:54:25,840
behind him

2986
01:54:29,270 --> 01:54:28,000
immediately was the sound of a like a

2987
01:54:31,589 --> 01:54:29,280
child's voice

2988
01:54:32,470 --> 01:54:31,599
that said can i listen to and i had this

2989
01:54:33,830 --> 01:54:32,480
little epiphany

2990
01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:33,840
as soon as i heard that i'm like oh my

2991
01:54:37,109 --> 01:54:35,440
god i looked at my nephew and said we're

2992
01:54:38,870 --> 01:54:37,119
the spirits somewhere

2993
01:54:42,790 --> 01:54:38,880
else and someone's trying to listen to

2994
01:54:46,229 --> 01:54:42,800
us my nephew's like wow that's deep

2995
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:46,239
but i mean i really felt that

2996
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:48,960
and from that point i was hooked and

2997
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:50,480
when i got involved with paranormal

2998
01:54:54,709 --> 01:54:53,119
groups evps were kind of my thing

2999
01:54:57,109 --> 01:54:54,719
they used to call me the antenna because

3000
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:57,119
it seemed like my recorder would pick up

3001
01:55:00,550 --> 01:54:59,119
we'd have three recorders in a room and

3002
01:55:01,990 --> 01:55:00,560
mine would be the one that had all the

3003
01:55:05,350 --> 01:55:02,000
good stuff on it

3004
01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:05,360
um i've gotten uh fan one time i got an

3005
01:55:08,470 --> 01:55:06,400
ebp

3006
01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:08,480
there with this when i was with this

3007
01:55:12,550 --> 01:55:10,000
group in india they were a great group

3008
01:55:13,750 --> 01:55:12,560
great group of people and um very

3009
01:55:16,310 --> 01:55:13,760
professional

3010
01:55:18,790 --> 01:55:16,320
uh we were doing a private home and the

3011
01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:18,800
people that owned the home had a dog

3012
01:55:22,629 --> 01:55:21,119
and no one was in the house uh we had

3013
01:55:23,990 --> 01:55:22,639
our our base station set up

3014
01:55:25,510 --> 01:55:24,000
out in the garage there was no one in

3015
01:55:26,070 --> 01:55:25,520
the house had all our equipment

3016
01:55:28,950 --> 01:55:26,080
everywhere

3017
01:55:30,550 --> 01:55:28,960
evp uh my recorder my little recorder

3018
01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:30,560
sitting on the end table or the coffee

3019
01:55:33,990 --> 01:55:31,440
table

3020
01:55:34,550 --> 01:55:34,000
another recorder camera that had voice

3021
01:55:38,070 --> 01:55:34,560
record

3022
01:55:41,109 --> 01:55:38,080
on it as well in that room the dog walks

3023
01:55:42,550 --> 01:55:41,119
by the coffee table where my little hand

3024
01:55:46,709 --> 01:55:42,560
recorder is

3025
01:55:47,109 --> 01:55:46,719
and clear as day it was like this kid

3026
01:55:49,030 --> 01:55:47,119
was

3027
01:55:50,950 --> 01:55:49,040
in the living room and leaned into the

3028
01:55:53,990 --> 01:55:50,960
mic and said hi ginger

3029
01:55:54,950 --> 01:55:54,000
and the doll's name was ginger and there

3030
01:55:56,470 --> 01:55:54,960
were no little

3031
01:55:57,430 --> 01:55:56,480
children no little girls in this family

3032
01:55:58,629 --> 01:55:57,440
as a matter of fact one of their

3033
01:56:00,550 --> 01:55:58,639
complaints was that

3034
01:56:02,709 --> 01:56:00,560
they were seeing a little girl running

3035
01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:02,719
up down the halls

3036
01:56:06,709 --> 01:56:05,520
i thought i would lose my mind i was so

3037
01:56:10,470 --> 01:56:06,719
excited over

3038
01:56:12,070 --> 01:56:10,480
that evp i've gotten many really really

3039
01:56:14,790 --> 01:56:12,080
good ones over the years i haven't done

3040
01:56:16,629 --> 01:56:14,800
it for a long time i kind of miss it

3041
01:56:18,310 --> 01:56:16,639
i don't know why i'm so attracted to

3042
01:56:20,310 --> 01:56:18,320
those things i just think they're

3043
01:56:22,070 --> 01:56:20,320
fascinating and i love it when i get a

3044
01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:22,080
good one

3045
01:56:25,990 --> 01:56:25,040
you should um put together like a

3046
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:26,000
compilation

3047
01:56:30,310 --> 01:56:28,080
of of all the stuff that you have that

3048
01:56:33,910 --> 01:56:30,320
you consider is really great and

3049
01:56:36,709 --> 01:56:33,920
maybe something to to post publicly

3050
01:56:38,550 --> 01:56:36,719
um yeah my my husband is my webmaster

3051
01:56:40,310 --> 01:56:38,560
and he's currently updating and

3052
01:56:42,070 --> 01:56:40,320
building my website which was dormant

3053
01:56:43,030 --> 01:56:42,080
for a long time and now with the book

3054
01:56:44,870 --> 01:56:43,040
coming out and everything

3055
01:56:46,229 --> 01:56:44,880
this is a way that people can contact me

3056
01:56:49,510 --> 01:56:46,239
directly and

3057
01:56:51,270 --> 01:56:49,520
uh um and your website is also in this

3058
01:56:53,350 --> 01:56:51,280
description below for any of those that

3059
01:56:56,149 --> 01:56:53,360
want to contact deb as well

3060
01:56:56,709 --> 01:56:56,159
yeah you can also all the links to yeah

3061
01:56:58,310 --> 01:56:56,719
also

3062
01:56:59,990 --> 01:56:58,320
uh i'm sorry that i didn't want to

3063
01:57:00,709 --> 01:57:00,000
interrupt i was gonna say all the links

3064
01:57:03,510 --> 01:57:00,719
of your

3065
01:57:03,990 --> 01:57:03,520
uh previous books and uh the the new one

3066
01:57:06,149 --> 01:57:04,000
both

3067
01:57:07,830 --> 01:57:06,159
barnes and noble and amazon link is all

3068
01:57:09,350 --> 01:57:07,840
in the description below so please do

3069
01:57:11,510 --> 01:57:09,360
check it out i try to

3070
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:11,520
just pack descriptions with as much

3071
01:57:15,350 --> 01:57:13,199
information as possible so

3072
01:57:17,589 --> 01:57:15,360
very rarely will i have a speaker that

3073
01:57:20,149 --> 01:57:17,599
that is not accessible to the public so

3074
01:57:20,629 --> 01:57:20,159
please take advantage of just visit the

3075
01:57:22,709 --> 01:57:20,639
site

3076
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:22,719
check out the different books and you

3077
01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:24,719
know take advantage of everything that

3078
01:57:27,750 --> 01:57:25,040
deb

3079
01:57:28,070 --> 01:57:27,760
has to offer right send me an email you

3080
01:57:30,790 --> 01:57:28,080
know

3081
01:57:32,709 --> 01:57:30,800
i'm i do my best to answer every single

3082
01:57:34,550 --> 01:57:32,719
email that i get even

3083
01:57:36,629 --> 01:57:34,560
even however briefly you know i just

3084
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:36,639
appreciate the support and i appreciate

3085
01:57:39,750 --> 01:57:37,520
that people want to

3086
01:57:41,669 --> 01:57:39,760
you know share with me and it's kind of

3087
01:57:45,030 --> 01:57:41,679
like why i'm here so

3088
01:57:45,350 --> 01:57:45,040
yeah right uh deb tammy's asking uh can

3089
01:57:49,750 --> 01:57:45,360
deb

3090
01:57:55,830 --> 01:57:53,350
the human interaction i had

3091
01:57:57,109 --> 01:57:55,840
during these weird events yeah they i

3092
01:57:58,709 --> 01:57:57,119
mean they looked human

3093
01:58:00,470 --> 01:57:58,719
no i wouldn't just say humanoid i

3094
01:58:00,950 --> 01:58:00,480
wouldn't go i would go so far as to say

3095
01:58:03,430 --> 01:58:00,960
that

3096
01:58:05,030 --> 01:58:03,440
if you pass some one of them in the

3097
01:58:08,229 --> 01:58:05,040
grocery store at walmart

3098
01:58:11,350 --> 01:58:08,239
you wouldn't look at them twice um

3099
01:58:15,350 --> 01:58:13,830
very attractive i mean like i would call

3100
01:58:17,109 --> 01:58:15,360
even the men were beautiful

3101
01:58:19,510 --> 01:58:17,119
you know just so you would look at them

3102
01:58:20,950 --> 01:58:19,520
twice well i would but not for the

3103
01:58:24,550 --> 01:58:20,960
reason you

3104
01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:24,560
might think um and then uh

3105
01:58:29,750 --> 01:58:27,920
the one time when um you know i had some

3106
01:58:32,070 --> 01:58:29,760
what appeared to be medical things done

3107
01:58:33,910 --> 01:58:32,080
to me it was definitely humans and

3108
01:58:35,750 --> 01:58:33,920
i remember this old guy who would if he

3109
01:58:38,790 --> 01:58:35,760
was still alive he'd probably be

3110
01:58:41,189 --> 01:58:38,800
in his 90s now uh you know it was

3111
01:58:42,550 --> 01:58:41,199
i called him the doctor and he was a

3112
01:58:45,589 --> 01:58:42,560
older heavyset

3113
01:58:49,669 --> 01:58:45,599
white-haired guy with reddish face and a

3114
01:58:54,149 --> 01:58:49,679
w c fields nose a very deep voice with a

3115
01:58:57,910 --> 01:58:54,159
very thick southern draw you know but

3116
01:59:00,550 --> 01:58:57,920
human so and then the one

3117
01:59:02,229 --> 01:59:00,560
one time i had a dream this guy came and

3118
01:59:04,310 --> 01:59:02,239
was talking to me and

3119
01:59:05,510 --> 01:59:04,320
he looked human and he was very you know

3120
01:59:07,990 --> 01:59:05,520
handsome but

3121
01:59:10,310 --> 01:59:08,000
one and he had big blue eyes but one

3122
01:59:12,149 --> 01:59:10,320
pupil was diamond shaped and it moved

3123
01:59:14,070 --> 01:59:12,159
when he talked to me

3124
01:59:15,830 --> 01:59:14,080
and i said are you talking to me through

3125
01:59:17,510 --> 01:59:15,840
your eye and he kind of looked at me and

3126
01:59:19,750 --> 01:59:17,520
funny and said you

3127
01:59:22,070 --> 01:59:19,760
don't remember you can do this too and

3128
01:59:24,149 --> 01:59:22,080
i'm like no i don't remember

3129
01:59:25,830 --> 01:59:24,159
um and the next morning when i woke up i

3130
01:59:26,470 --> 01:59:25,840
was covered in a blanket that i don't

3131
01:59:30,310 --> 01:59:26,480
remember

3132
01:59:33,750 --> 01:59:30,320
telling him in the dream that i was cold

3133
01:59:36,629 --> 01:59:33,760
so go figure

3134
01:59:37,589 --> 01:59:36,639
they all have blonde hair except there

3135
01:59:41,030 --> 01:59:37,599
was a

3136
01:59:43,109 --> 01:59:41,040
uh oh no exception

3137
01:59:44,470 --> 01:59:43,119
there was two exceptions i called them

3138
01:59:47,030 --> 01:59:44,480
the twins and they had

3139
01:59:47,510 --> 01:59:47,040
very very dark hair and very dark brown

3140
01:59:49,990 --> 01:59:47,520
eyes

3141
01:59:51,510 --> 01:59:50,000
and they looked like identical twins but

3142
01:59:53,669 --> 01:59:51,520
the rest of them were all

3143
01:59:54,709 --> 01:59:53,679
except the old guy were all like blonde

3144
01:59:57,990 --> 01:59:54,719
haired blue eyed

3145
02:00:01,669 --> 01:59:58,000
people okay

3146
02:00:03,750 --> 02:00:01,679
well deb uh i i haven't had um

3147
02:00:04,950 --> 02:00:03,760
i guess everyone asked all the questions

3148
02:00:07,510 --> 02:00:04,960
they wanted to to

3149
02:00:08,790 --> 02:00:07,520
to ask as soon as i say that michael

3150
02:00:10,470 --> 02:00:08,800
comes through one i was just going to

3151
02:00:12,070 --> 02:00:10,480
say i didn't have any other questions to

3152
02:00:15,030 --> 02:00:12,080
ask if you wanted to cover certain

3153
02:00:17,589 --> 02:00:15,040
subjects but one came through

3154
02:00:19,830 --> 02:00:17,599
from from michael's saying were they

3155
02:00:22,149 --> 02:00:19,840
blonde nordic types

3156
02:00:23,350 --> 02:00:22,159
if you're familiar with those yeah i

3157
02:00:25,990 --> 02:00:23,360
guess you could say that

3158
02:00:27,510 --> 02:00:26,000
i mean if you blonde nordic people are

3159
02:00:30,629 --> 02:00:27,520
tall blonde and attractive

3160
02:00:33,990 --> 02:00:30,639
yeah i could say that

3161
02:00:36,070 --> 02:00:34,000
right i wouldn't think i didn't think

3162
02:00:39,990 --> 02:00:36,080
about them that way at the time

3163
02:00:41,030 --> 02:00:40,000
but yeah okay i guess uh let's finish up

3164
02:00:43,910 --> 02:00:41,040
with nathan nathan

3165
02:00:45,270 --> 02:00:43,920
uh is in in on the on telegram and i

3166
02:00:47,669 --> 02:00:45,280
guess we'll finish up with the

3167
02:00:49,669 --> 02:00:47,679
with the voice question nathan you're

3168
02:00:50,149 --> 02:00:49,679
unmuted uh go ahead and mute yourself

3169
02:00:54,790 --> 02:00:50,159
and

3170
02:00:56,629 --> 02:00:54,800
if you if you wouldn't mind

3171
02:00:59,189 --> 02:00:56,639
uh sharing with us this your your

3172
02:01:01,510 --> 02:00:59,199
near-death experience story

3173
02:01:02,470 --> 02:01:01,520
oh no i don't know what you experienced

3174
02:01:05,510 --> 02:01:02,480
yeah um

3175
02:01:08,550 --> 02:01:07,189
thank you yeah i was pregnant with my

3176
02:01:11,830 --> 02:01:08,560
son uh

3177
02:01:14,870 --> 02:01:11,840
my oldest son and um

3178
02:01:17,510 --> 02:01:14,880
i it was i was actually not due for

3179
02:01:19,350 --> 02:01:17,520
seven weeks but i went into a coma i

3180
02:01:22,149 --> 02:01:19,360
developed preeclampsia

3181
02:01:24,229 --> 02:01:22,159
that went into eclampsia and i was like

3182
02:01:25,669 --> 02:01:24,239
in a kind of semi-comatose state my

3183
02:01:26,470 --> 02:01:25,679
kidneys were failing my liver was

3184
02:01:29,990 --> 02:01:26,480
failing

3185
02:01:33,109 --> 02:01:30,000
um i was dying and so um

3186
02:01:35,270 --> 02:01:33,119
they had to make a choice between uh you

3187
02:01:36,310 --> 02:01:35,280
know me dying and the baby dying or you

3188
02:01:38,310 --> 02:01:36,320
know they had to take

3189
02:01:39,510 --> 02:01:38,320
the only cure for me to save my life was

3190
02:01:41,109 --> 02:01:39,520
to have the baby

3191
02:01:44,470 --> 02:01:41,119
so they took me in for an emergency

3192
02:01:46,709 --> 02:01:44,480
c-section and during the c-section

3193
02:01:49,189 --> 02:01:46,719
um i guess they must have given me as

3194
02:01:51,430 --> 02:01:49,199
little anesthetic and whatever that

3195
02:01:52,550 --> 02:01:51,440
paralyzing stuff is they'd give you

3196
02:01:56,229 --> 02:01:52,560
because i

3197
02:01:57,990 --> 02:01:56,239
remembered feeling them cut me open

3198
02:02:00,709 --> 02:01:58,000
but i couldn't move and i couldn't tell

3199
02:02:02,470 --> 02:02:00,719
anybody uh but it was not a slice like

3200
02:02:03,990 --> 02:02:02,480
you think it was a pinch and a pull and

3201
02:02:07,589 --> 02:02:04,000
a pinch and a pull and it was like

3202
02:02:09,430 --> 02:02:07,599
fire like absolute fire as they cut me

3203
02:02:11,430 --> 02:02:09,440
open to take out my baby

3204
02:02:13,430 --> 02:02:11,440
and i was an up and down cut like back

3205
02:02:14,310 --> 02:02:13,440
this was 42 years ago they cut you open

3206
02:02:17,510 --> 02:02:14,320
like a gutted

3207
02:02:20,629 --> 02:02:17,520
fish but um

3208
02:02:23,430 --> 02:02:20,639
um i remembered hearing them talking

3209
02:02:24,470 --> 02:02:23,440
in there and i also remember the doctor

3210
02:02:27,109 --> 02:02:24,480
talked about

3211
02:02:28,870 --> 02:02:27,119
geist reservoir and sailboats while they

3212
02:02:30,470 --> 02:02:28,880
were cutting me open somebody mentioned

3213
02:02:32,229 --> 02:02:30,480
something about that

3214
02:02:33,830 --> 02:02:32,239
but i could hear everything but i and i

3215
02:02:35,350 --> 02:02:33,840
was just paralyzed i couldn't move it's

3216
02:02:37,750 --> 02:02:35,360
like i was awake but not

3217
02:02:40,470 --> 02:02:37,760
you know it was weird and then all of a

3218
02:02:43,510 --> 02:02:40,480
sudden i couldn't breathe

3219
02:02:45,189 --> 02:02:43,520
and i could not breathe but i couldn't

3220
02:02:47,030 --> 02:02:45,199
get anybody's attention

3221
02:02:48,950 --> 02:02:47,040
i was trying desperately to shake my

3222
02:02:50,470 --> 02:02:48,960
legs to get somebody's attention to tell

3223
02:02:52,470 --> 02:02:50,480
them i couldn't breathe

3224
02:02:54,310 --> 02:02:52,480
and then all of a sudden their voices

3225
02:02:57,589 --> 02:02:54,320
sounded like they started to go

3226
02:02:58,470 --> 02:02:57,599
far farther and farther and farther away

3227
02:03:01,189 --> 02:02:58,480
like i was

3228
02:03:02,790 --> 02:03:01,199
going far and far away from them they

3229
02:03:06,550 --> 02:03:02,800
were getting

3230
02:03:09,270 --> 02:03:06,560
quieter and quieter and uh

3231
02:03:10,070 --> 02:03:09,280
and then all of a sudden it was with i

3232
02:03:12,870 --> 02:03:10,080
could almost

3233
02:03:13,350 --> 02:03:12,880
hear and feel is like a whomp feeling

3234
02:03:16,709 --> 02:03:13,360
and i

3235
02:03:20,550 --> 02:03:16,719
literally disconnected from my body

3236
02:03:22,470 --> 02:03:20,560
and then i was in blackness

3237
02:03:23,990 --> 02:03:22,480
total blackness i couldn't see my hands

3238
02:03:27,510 --> 02:03:24,000
or feet or anything

3239
02:03:31,109 --> 02:03:27,520
i could barely hear theirs

3240
02:03:34,149 --> 02:03:31,119
they're talking but i was trapped in

3241
02:03:36,390 --> 02:03:34,159
this black box and i was pounding on the

3242
02:03:38,550 --> 02:03:36,400
wall of this black box with my fists and

3243
02:03:41,669 --> 02:03:38,560
i was screaming at the tops of my lungs

3244
02:03:42,310 --> 02:03:41,679
i'm not dead let me out of here let me

3245
02:03:45,990 --> 02:03:42,320
out i'm

3246
02:03:47,589 --> 02:03:46,000
not dead and somehow i managed to shake

3247
02:03:49,669 --> 02:03:47,599
my legs and when i did

3248
02:03:51,270 --> 02:03:49,679
i felt the strap go down around my leg

3249
02:03:52,950 --> 02:03:51,280
and i kind of connected back with my

3250
02:03:54,390 --> 02:03:52,960
body a little bit and then i heard a

3251
02:03:58,229 --> 02:03:54,400
voice

3252
02:04:00,390 --> 02:03:58,239
first i thought it was an angel but in

3253
02:04:01,750 --> 02:04:00,400
retrospect i think it may have been a

3254
02:04:05,030 --> 02:04:01,760
nurse

3255
02:04:05,830 --> 02:04:05,040
whisper in my ear you you can't leave

3256
02:04:08,470 --> 02:04:05,840
yet

3257
02:04:09,350 --> 02:04:08,480
you have a baby that needs his mother

3258
02:04:12,310 --> 02:04:09,360
you can't

3259
02:04:13,189 --> 02:04:12,320
leave yet and as soon as i heard those

3260
02:04:16,470 --> 02:04:13,199
words

3261
02:04:19,669 --> 02:04:16,480
bam i connected right back up on

3262
02:04:21,030 --> 02:04:19,679
this body and the voices got louder and

3263
02:04:23,669 --> 02:04:21,040
louder and there was just

3264
02:04:24,870 --> 02:04:23,679
screaming and chaos going on hollering

3265
02:04:29,270 --> 02:04:24,880
back and forth

3266
02:04:30,629 --> 02:04:29,280
and they had taken me off the table and

3267
02:04:32,470 --> 02:04:30,639
all of a sudden i felt like i couldn't

3268
02:04:35,750 --> 02:04:32,480
breathe again and

3269
02:04:39,030 --> 02:04:35,760
i felt i shook my legs and

3270
02:04:40,950 --> 02:04:39,040
the screaming got little and then i

3271
02:04:43,830 --> 02:04:40,960
think they might have intubated me

3272
02:04:45,990 --> 02:04:43,840
uh because i felt like all of a sudden

3273
02:04:47,350 --> 02:04:46,000
the air was coming in my lungs and it

3274
02:04:49,270 --> 02:04:47,360
felt so good

3275
02:04:50,390 --> 02:04:49,280
it was like i was thirsty and i was

3276
02:04:53,510 --> 02:04:50,400
drinking it in i was

3277
02:04:56,629 --> 02:04:53,520
gulping this air in all of a sudden

3278
02:04:57,189 --> 02:04:56,639
and it wasn't until after the surgery

3279
02:04:59,510 --> 02:04:57,199
was over

3280
02:05:01,589 --> 02:04:59,520
i mean it was very traumatic for me to

3281
02:05:04,709 --> 02:05:01,599
remember being cut open everything but

3282
02:05:06,310 --> 02:05:04,719
i told the doctor

3283
02:05:08,390 --> 02:05:06,320
i heard you talking about sailboats he's

3284
02:05:09,750 --> 02:05:08,400
like what and i said yeah i said i

3285
02:05:11,189 --> 02:05:09,760
felt you cut me open and i heard you

3286
02:05:12,950 --> 02:05:11,199
talk about sailboats he just looked at

3287
02:05:14,629 --> 02:05:12,960
me like i was crazy he never confirmed

3288
02:05:18,870 --> 02:05:14,639
or denied any of it

3289
02:05:22,069 --> 02:05:18,880
and um uh

3290
02:05:24,629 --> 02:05:22,079
i told him what had happened you know

3291
02:05:25,669 --> 02:05:24,639
and that's when i found out i had coded

3292
02:05:30,310 --> 02:05:25,679
twice

3293
02:05:35,030 --> 02:05:30,320
they even took me out of there

3294
02:05:38,149 --> 02:05:35,040
out of the delivery room and then um

3295
02:05:39,750 --> 02:05:38,159
it was amazing because remember this was

3296
02:05:42,629 --> 02:05:39,760
42 years ago

3297
02:05:44,470 --> 02:05:42,639
seven days later i went home and my baby

3298
02:05:48,790 --> 02:05:44,480
went with me even though he was

3299
02:05:51,510 --> 02:05:48,800
almost seven weeks premature um

3300
02:05:52,550 --> 02:05:51,520
he uh he didn't have any fingernails yet

3301
02:05:54,470 --> 02:05:52,560
he had long white hair

3302
02:05:55,750 --> 02:05:54,480
still all over him just a little dents

3303
02:05:57,750 --> 02:05:55,760
where his fingernails would

3304
02:05:59,910 --> 02:05:57,760
grow in and his ears were still rolled

3305
02:06:01,910 --> 02:05:59,920
up and folded up and he looked like a

3306
02:06:03,030 --> 02:06:01,920
little peanut they called him peanut and

3307
02:06:05,510 --> 02:06:03,040
nicu

3308
02:06:06,390 --> 02:06:05,520
his lungs were completely developed and

3309
02:06:08,870 --> 02:06:06,400
he was five

3310
02:06:09,669 --> 02:06:08,880
uh he weighed five pounds and was 21

3311
02:06:11,910 --> 02:06:09,679
inches long

3312
02:06:13,990 --> 02:06:11,920
even though he was so early but he had

3313
02:06:15,430 --> 02:06:14,000
zero body fat he couldn't keep his body

3314
02:06:17,109 --> 02:06:15,440
you know temperature up that was his

3315
02:06:26,629 --> 02:06:17,119
only problem uh

3316
02:06:30,310 --> 02:06:29,030
jesus and all the angels and people that

3317
02:06:32,950 --> 02:06:30,320
i knew that were dead

3318
02:06:33,589 --> 02:06:32,960
hold on i'm sorry you broke up there for

3319
02:06:36,229 --> 02:06:33,599
a second

3320
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:36,239
say that last last step six seconds

3321
02:06:40,149 --> 02:06:37,840
again please i

3322
02:06:42,390 --> 02:06:40,159
i didn't have the typical near-death

3323
02:06:45,189 --> 02:06:42,400
experience where people see the tunnel

3324
02:06:46,229 --> 02:06:45,199
of light and jesus and all the angels

3325
02:06:48,310 --> 02:06:46,239
and people they knew

3326
02:06:50,629 --> 02:06:48,320
who were alive that are now dead come to

3327
02:06:56,830 --> 02:06:50,639
get them but i think that's because

3328
02:07:02,870 --> 02:06:59,510
body and i did

3329
02:07:04,790 --> 02:07:02,880
my body because of the baby

3330
02:07:06,229 --> 02:07:04,800
because that was i might not have

3331
02:07:07,830 --> 02:07:06,239
remembered

3332
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:07,840
when i disconnected and wanted out

3333
02:07:13,030 --> 02:07:09,920
because i wanted out

3334
02:07:14,550 --> 02:07:13,040
of that body i wanted out until she

3335
02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:14,560
reminded me i had a baby and that was

3336
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:16,800
like oh no i ain't going to wear

3337
02:07:24,709 --> 02:07:22,790
okay well thank you for sharing that

3338
02:07:25,350 --> 02:07:24,719
it's uh yeah your connection for some

3339
02:07:27,510 --> 02:07:25,360
reason was

3340
02:07:28,709 --> 02:07:27,520
dropping quite a bit but we could hear

3341
02:07:30,550 --> 02:07:28,719
what you were trying to say

3342
02:07:32,069 --> 02:07:30,560
so maybe that's accurate well you know

3343
02:07:32,790 --> 02:07:32,079
we've got storms coming through here so

3344
02:07:35,910 --> 02:07:32,800
maybe it's that

3345
02:07:37,669 --> 02:07:35,920
right right yeah very well be well

3346
02:07:39,510 --> 02:07:37,679
debbie thank you very much again you

3347
02:07:40,550 --> 02:07:39,520
know i'm really happy that you were able

3348
02:07:43,109 --> 02:07:40,560
to come on again

3349
02:07:44,229 --> 02:07:43,119
and um you know just as you know you're

3350
02:07:45,990 --> 02:07:44,239
always welcome

3351
02:07:47,830 --> 02:07:46,000
and um you know hopefully in the future

3352
02:07:51,109 --> 02:07:47,840
we'll do this again sometime

3353
02:07:52,870 --> 02:07:51,119
and uh so yeah thank you very much

3354
02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:52,880
yeah thank you very much for again

3355
02:07:55,109 --> 02:07:54,480
taking the time and i appreciate

3356
02:07:57,350 --> 02:07:55,119
everyone

3357
02:07:58,790 --> 02:07:57,360
um watching and asking the questions and

3358
02:08:02,069 --> 02:07:58,800
making this interesting

3359
02:08:05,109 --> 02:08:02,079
because um it's as much of a

3360
02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:05,119
interaction as it is just you know

3361
02:08:09,109 --> 02:08:07,440
coming to listen to somebody because

3362
02:08:10,790 --> 02:08:09,119
i love to listen to people but if i have

3363
02:08:11,910 --> 02:08:10,800
a chance to ask you know you kind of

3364
02:08:13,350 --> 02:08:11,920
learn more that way

3365
02:08:16,149 --> 02:08:13,360
and so i'm glad that people took the

3366
02:08:18,950 --> 02:08:16,159
opportunities to go to telegram and to

3367
02:08:20,470 --> 02:08:18,960
even on chat ask the questions and just

3368
02:08:22,709 --> 02:08:20,480
makes it more interactive and

3369
02:08:24,069 --> 02:08:22,719
sometimes as much as i understand about

3370
02:08:25,910 --> 02:08:24,079
the different subjects i

3371
02:08:27,189 --> 02:08:25,920
i sometimes don't know to ask all the

3372
02:08:29,669 --> 02:08:27,199
questions you know

3373
02:08:30,709 --> 02:08:29,679
and um you know by somebody having their

3374
02:08:33,430 --> 02:08:30,719
question fulfilled

3375
02:08:35,189 --> 02:08:33,440
and and you know hopefully it enriches

3376
02:08:36,870 --> 02:08:35,199
their experience they're not that much

3377
02:08:38,709 --> 02:08:36,880
more in and gives them that

3378
02:08:40,390 --> 02:08:38,719
next little breadcrumb that they need to

3379
02:08:42,310 --> 02:08:40,400
move forward with whatever else they're

3380
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:42,320
learning about in researching

3381
02:08:48,550 --> 02:08:45,599
so yeah uh okay well

3382
02:08:49,030 --> 02:08:48,560
uh everyone thank you again debbie um

3383
02:08:50,550 --> 02:08:49,040
i'm

3384
02:08:52,390 --> 02:08:50,560
to sign off here soon so please sit

3385
02:08:55,430 --> 02:08:52,400
tight don't disconnect on me yet

3386
02:08:56,390 --> 02:08:55,440
and um so please uh everyone else that's

3387
02:08:59,589 --> 02:08:56,400
been watching please

3388
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:59,599
log in next week at 7 00 p.m uh i will

3389
02:09:01,910 --> 02:09:00,000
be

3390
02:09:03,990 --> 02:09:01,920
live streaming again on all the

3391
02:09:05,510 --> 02:09:04,000
platforms all the three platforms that i

3392
02:09:06,149 --> 02:09:05,520
have which is youtube facebook and

3393
02:09:08,790 --> 02:09:06,159
twitch

3394
02:09:10,149 --> 02:09:08,800
and of course voice only over telegram

3395
02:09:12,310 --> 02:09:10,159
and so

3396
02:09:13,189 --> 02:09:12,320
uh during that time it's open lines and

3397
02:09:16,069 --> 02:09:13,199
basically just

3398
02:09:16,470 --> 02:09:16,079
listen to your calls like uh dudley i

3399
02:09:18,629 --> 02:09:16,480
believe

3400
02:09:20,390 --> 02:09:18,639
we're starting to share some of some of

3401
02:09:22,950 --> 02:09:20,400
his experiences i hope he comes back on

3402
02:09:25,030 --> 02:09:22,960
wednesday and um

3403
02:09:26,310 --> 02:09:25,040
gets to you share that i love to hear

3404
02:09:28,629 --> 02:09:26,320
new stories and

3405
02:09:29,830 --> 02:09:28,639
and what people have uh experienced and

3406
02:09:31,510 --> 02:09:29,840
sometimes there could be some

3407
02:09:32,629 --> 02:09:31,520
correlation with your experiences and

3408
02:09:35,109 --> 02:09:32,639
what someone else

3409
02:09:35,830 --> 02:09:35,119
also had experienced so yeah i'm sorry i

3410
02:09:38,870 --> 02:09:35,840
had to

3411
02:09:41,189 --> 02:09:38,880
cancel this past wednesday i really had

3412
02:09:42,390 --> 02:09:41,199
a lot of my hands because i was building

3413
02:09:44,870 --> 02:09:42,400
a bed frame for

3414
02:09:45,589 --> 02:09:44,880
our for our three-year-old at the same

3415
02:09:47,589 --> 02:09:45,599
time i was

3416
02:09:48,870 --> 02:09:47,599
flushing the coolant out of the the one

3417
02:09:50,790 --> 02:09:48,880
of the vehicles that we

3418
02:09:51,910 --> 02:09:50,800
were messing with and that the radiator

3419
02:09:54,629 --> 02:09:51,920
had to crack so i had to

3420
02:09:55,189 --> 02:09:54,639
get that fixed i had to do it myself

3421
02:09:56,870 --> 02:09:55,199
basically

3422
02:09:58,870 --> 02:09:56,880
so anyway i had a full day and i was

3423
02:10:00,470 --> 02:09:58,880
like the last thing that i could really

3424
02:10:01,830 --> 02:10:00,480
concentrate on and give all my full

3425
02:10:03,350 --> 02:10:01,840
attention on would be this

3426
02:10:05,669 --> 02:10:03,360
and i don't want to do that disservice

3427
02:10:07,910 --> 02:10:05,679
to everyone i'd rather be refreshed and

3428
02:10:09,990 --> 02:10:07,920
ready and here to listen so

3429
02:10:11,510 --> 02:10:10,000
again debbie thank you very much

3430
02:10:14,229 --> 02:10:11,520
everyone else watching

3431
02:10:15,669 --> 02:10:14,239
thank you and so tune in on wednesday

3432
02:10:17,350 --> 02:10:15,679
and of course we're gonna have another

3433
02:10:19,109 --> 02:10:17,360
guest on friday as well so